[GeoStL] Re: Perfection is hard to achieve

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I would suggest that when you have a problem like that, tell people this in
the cache description.  I would also give a good hint to get them in the
area.  People with less accurate GPS will also have signal problems in the
area and they could be 60 feet off and their GPS say 120 feet off.  You
could also ask someone with a more sensitive receiver like the 60CSX to get
coordinates and then update the webpage.

When taking coordinates is not having a WAAS fix the best way to go?  Is not
that better than averaging the waypoint?     

Jim Bensman
"Nature Bats Last" 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gale R. Nie
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:53 PM
> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Perfection is hard to achieve
> 
> -
> I've been working on some cache hides recently and will be listing 5 new
> ones soon.  Due to the terrain on one of them, I was only able to get 67
> foot accuracy with my yellow etrex when I was scouting the location.  It
> did
> a little better when I hid the container so that should help. But a
> finder
> could really be off if they also are only getting 60+ foot accuracy when
> searching.
> 
> Gale
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Lusicic" <lusicic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 3:27 PM
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Perfection is hard to achieve
> 
> 
> > -
> > Well, most folks look at only the accuracy of their GPSr (from my
> > experiencein showing folks), assuming the published coordinates are
> > accurate.Even with 15 foot accuracy, if the hider is off 15 feet to
> the
> > left
> > and the finder is 15 feet off to the left of that, then that is 30
> feet
> > without even 30 foot accuracy showing on your GPSr. If both units are
> only
> > getting 30 foot accuracy, then you could be 60 feet away. Of course
> that
> > is
> > the most extreme example. Of course the better the hider can do, the
> less
> > he
> > is going to contribute to the error, thus the method Steve was
> > recommending
> > for establishing the cache coordinates.
> > Andrew Senger wrote: - I have to remind my dad (lobocs) of this all
> the
> > time.Frequently, his GPSr will come to a different location than mine,
> and
> > he'll still look just in his area (even with a 22-30 foot accuracy!).
> I
> > can
> > easily count several times the cache was away from both of our "Zero"
> > points,so I've learned to start looking around from there. Andrew
> > (yawetag)
> > On 5/2/07, Laura Million <lmillio@xxxxxxxx>[1] wrote: - When I'm
> caching
> > withnew people or when teaching the Girl Scouts, I tell them that the
> GPS
> > is
> > only a tool that will take them to the area of the cache. Once they
> get to
> > the area, they should put the GPS down and start using their eyes and
> > brains
> > to look. Look for things out of place like a pile of sticks or leaves
> that
> > would not have fallen there naturally. Look for little nooks and holes
> > that
> > might hold small containers. Look high as well as low since some of
> those
> > devious cachers don't always place their caches on the ground. My GPSr
> is
> > often way off. That's what I get for buying it on E-bay. I also use a
> > magnetic compass because my needle on the GPS might be pointing south,
> but
> > I
> > know that that direction is really north. I'll pull out my compass and
> > find
> > what is really south and follow that. It has helped me often. Laura
> > Million
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> > Message----- From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[5]
> > [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[6]] On Behalf Of Stephen
> Martin
> > Sent:Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:25 PM To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[7]
> > Subject:
> > [GeoStL] Perfection is hard to achieve - I am curious about some
> things
> > that
> > are actually geocache related... sorry no food this time. I have
> > experienced
> > several incidents of people pointing out that a cache is off by 20 to
> 50
> > feet. Sometimes it has been regarding one of my hides, sometimes the
> logs
> > of
> > a cache I am hunting, and I have witnessed it on some races. I believe
> > that
> > there are many reasons for that including terrain and foilage,
> weather,
> > sattelite position and the difference in GPSrs. Therefore, I watch the
> > needleuntil I get to a zero and just search outward from there. I
> think
> > that
> > is the fun part... the search. How fun is pin the tail on the donkey
> if
> > your
> > hand guides you to the exact spot. Where is the challenge? Most often
> the
> > difference is 30 feet or less, and geoexperience should teach where to
> > look.
> > I would love feedback on this issue. Am I atleast partly correct for
> > causes
> > of descrepencies? Is the it the hunt not the needle that rocks? Thanks
> for
> > any response to my random thoughts. Happy hunting! Stephen BTW- The
> picnic
> > looked to be a huge success from the look of the photos. Illness kept
> me
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