[GeoStL] Re: MOGA 2008 Ideas and Concerns...
- From: "bromley" <bromley@xxxxxxx>
- To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:08:04 -0500
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Another thing that needs to be kept in the equation is
logistics. Mark Twain was a good drive for everyone that
needed to place caches (for me it was 110 miles). I ended
up going up three times and some of the staff ended up
driving up four or five times to get all the caches placed
and everything set. I'm glad we did Mark Twain and wouldn't
mind doing it again, but, for me, it's about as far as I'd
want to travel to place caches.
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From: fourfeld@xxxxxxx
To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: MOGA 2008 Ideas and Concerns...
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:36:36 -0400
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>Are the state parks and state forests both administered by
>the same agency? Perhaps the forests would not have the
>same insurance requirements as the parks. One place that
>comes to mind is Huzzah State Forest in Leasburg. It's got
>thousands of acres of very interesting terrain, and its
>located right across the river from Onondaga State Park
>which has lots of campsites available. It's also right
>next to a pivate campground/canoe rental business that has
>many campsites and even some cabins available. As a
>competitor, I might end up regretting suggesting this
>because the terrain at Huzzah is a real killer. LOL
>
>Mark
>
>
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>From: gc-rgs@xxxxxxxxxx
>To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 9:05 PM
>Subject: [GeoStL] Re: MOGA 2008 Ideas and Concerns...
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>Michael,
>
>You bring up a lot of good points and some of us have
>briefly talked about the same issues. We haven't even had
>a meeting yet to discuss the 2007 event and see how we can
>make improvements. I'm sure Mike has been thinking a lot
>about the options.
>
>Over the past 3 years, all of the out of state folks said
>they want it held in a different area to see more of the
>state since they have to drive so far. That's why the
>location has been different each year.
>
>Another big "gotcha" with state parks is insurance. We must
>provide a $2 million ins. policy for participant,
>competing or just caching.. The cost is about $2000.00
>which is prohibitive. We had talked about Babler which is
>close to St. Louis but still the ins.problem.
>
>I'm sure Mike will pop in when he gets caught up with his
>thoughts.
>
>Rich
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Rogers" <mrogers07@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:36 PM
>Subject: [GeoStL] MOGA 2008 Ideas and Concerns...
>
>
>> -
>> During the awards ceremony at MOGA this year Mike
>> alluded to MOGA 2008. He said one of the ideas of its
>> location could be in St. Louis proper, being held at a
>> few parks simultaneously.
>>
>> While in theory, it may be a neat place to have it, I
>> have some concerns about a few things:
>>
>> 1. To have MOGA at more than one main location could
>> be a logistical nightmare. I haven't been in the
>> planning process for any of these events, granted, but
>> trying to set up events and activites in more than one
>> park could be a pain.
>>
>> 2. How could we have any park to ourselves for the
>> most part? Forest Park, one of the biggest, has the
>> zoo, the Jewel Box, the museum and other attractions.
>> I'm not saying an event couldn't be held there, for
>> example, but the muggle quotient and gawkers would be
>> high.
>>
>> 3. How many caches could you feasibly place in any of
>> the parks? I know Forest Park is big and that would
>> hold many, but to have enough for events you'd have to
>> utilize many parks...not all of which are close by.
>> This leads to...
>>
>> 4. If you were to use different parks for caches in
>> the events, people should not have to drive to other
>> areas as part of the competition. The last thing
>> anyone needs are a bunch of cachers working against
>> the clock and facing St. Louis traffic. That could be
>> the recipe for accidents, and no one wants that.
>>
>> 5. Many people, including some of our friends from
>> Minnestota, don't like the idea of urban caching for
>> MOGA. I'm sure there are a few places with some hills
>> in the area, but for the most part, the St. Louis area
>> cannot compete with the Mark Twain Lakes, Meramecs and
>> Hawns as far as topography. I'm sad to say that some
>> people from Minnesota on their message boards and even
>> some I spoke to at this past MOGA personally have
>> questioned whether they'd even attend an "urban" MOGA.
>>
>> 6. Costs. I am not sure about camping facilities in
>> the St. Louis area, but hotels there are not nearly as
>> cheap as what we had at this past MOGA. This could
>> turn some away. Some prefer camping to hotels
>> anyway...I don't know how this could or would play
>> out.
>>
>> That's about enough of the concerns...so how about
>> some ideas?
>>
>> 1. Why not have the next MOGA in a previously-used
>> spot? Meramec is a beautiful place and so is Hawn...is
>> there something against using an old area in lieu of a
>> new area?
>>
>> 2. Have you thought of using an area in the Ozarks?
>> Lake of the Ozarks? Or, perhaps, in the St. Francois
>> area in Sam A. Baker State park?
>>
>> 3. Perhaps a poll could be set up to vote on
>> locations...
>>
>> Well, I have more ideas, but I am having writer's
>> block so I might post more later. I just wanted to
>> shoot this out to y'all.
>>
>> Thanks again for a great MOGA 2007!
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>>
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