[GeoStL] Re: I long for the early days of caching! RE: Re: Congrats
- From: Mike Maryan <mmaryan99@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:29:44 -0500
-
Jim,
Thank you for your apology, but it wasn't just the title that made me upset.
Its the fact that you put in your message that "you had a hundred times more
fun finding your first 400 than anyone could finding 400 in one day". I am not
you so I do not know how much fun you had, but I had a blast. It sounded like
a self righteous thing to say and seemed like a put down to us (whether that
was your intention or not). It also seemed like you were putting down all the
cachers who have ever hidden an easy park n grab! I remember the first time I
found a lamppost cache and I thought it was amazing, I never would have thought
of that. I agree that after a few more of them they didn't seem that great,
but that is like any cache once you have seen it, it doesn't seem that great
anymore. The same with hidden rocks, pull apart logs (not logbooks), bolts,
fence posts, pinecones, magnetic strips, and all the rest!!
I also remember having alot of fun when I first started caching, but I still
have just as much fun now!!! Even though I am still backlogged by over 1000
caches, I have always made it a point to thank every single cache placer even
if I wasn't impressed with the hide itself or if I did not find it!!!
Sorry but I thought Brawny clarified that we found 311 caches in about a 15
hour period of time on the first day! 107 on the second day for a total of 418
caches for the trip, roughly 15 DNF's and 3 repairs. That first day we even
hiked for a couple of miles down a trail next to a National Wildlife Refuge,
what a beautiful area on the prarie. I went with three others and they can
tell who they were if they wish! We started in the DIA area and worked our way
NE and back into Aurora!
> From: junkmailno@xxxxxxxxxxx
> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: I long for the early days of caching! RE: Re: Congrats
> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:43:47 -0500
>
> -
> Mike,
>
> I changed the subject line of the message and was responding to Mike's
> statement there are now power runs where you can do 400 a day. I changed
> the subject hoping to prevent a reaction like yours. Until your message
> there has been no verification (the post said it was a rumor) or any
> indication of who it was. Your message does not even say who the other
> cachers were, how many you got, or where you did it. I'd like to know that
> and I like to know who I am congratulating before doing it. So it was not
> meant as a slight of your great accomplishment.
>
> I also do not have anything against numbers run and still enjoy them. I've
> done numbers runs for almost 9 years now. It just seems like the further
> away you get from the beginning of caching, it gets more about the numbers
> and less about quality. Even a few years ago most of the number runs would
> take you to a neat area (Brawny's ST Charles County series was a good
> example of a neat cache run). Runs like that are much more fun than some of
> the ones you see now. Once you have seen one walmart, a lamppost, or a
> cornfield you have seen them all.
>
> Some say if you don't like them, don't do them. In the early days that was
> not a problem as they were almost all quality caches. Now there are just so
> many of them, they overwhelm everything. It would be one thing if you could
> filter lame caches. I am going to Denver next month for my nephew's
> graduation and want to do some caches when I am out there. I ran my Denver
> query yesterday and it covered about 1/10th of the Denver metro area. 5
> years ago it would cover the whole metro area and well into the mountains.
> With a 500 cache limit for PQs and a 2,000 limit on my GPS it is going to be
> extremely difficult and time consuming to deal with.
>
> Brawny, I hear you about logging. Thanks goodness for field notes which
> have saved me hundreds of hours logging caches. The logging of caches has
> also degraded with favoring quantity over quality. Nowadays we cut and
> paste logs or just have something like TFTC. In the early days you would
> not just sign your name on the logs (heck now many times we cannot bother to
> sign all of our names so we use a stamp or a group name). In the early days
> you would write something about your adventure on the cache log and on the
> cache page. But what can you say about lifting a lamppost other than TFTC.
>
> Jim Bensman
> "Nature Bats Last"
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Maryan
> > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:59 AM
> > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: I long for the early days of caching! RE: Re:
> > Congrats
> >
> > -
> > I long for the days when someone made a great accomplishment of their
> > own others in the group congratulated them for their accomplishment,
> > and didn't go on their own rant about this and that! Yes I was one of
> > the four. If you don't like doing the numbers run then DON't! If you
> > are not having fun caching like you did in the past, then quit.
> > Considering you were not on the trip maybe you didn't have fun! BUT I
> > DID!!! It was the best caching trip I ever had!!! I had fun with 3
> > of my friends and we swapped caching stories during the whole trip!
> > Not only did we find several lamposts and film canisters on signs, we
> > did several well quality hidden caches, even a 4 difficulty 2 terrain!
> > Several of the caches had a DIDG GUY or RGS feel to them, we had over
> > 15 DNF's, and even helped replaced 3 caches that had been destroyed!!!
> > So next time you have Congrats in the title of the subject of your
> > email, maybe you would congratulate the people doing it!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike "TheMadChef"
> >
> >
> >
> > By the way congrats to the other 3 cachers who went with me and had
> > fun!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: junkmailno@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [GeoStL] I long for the early days of caching! RE: Re:
> > Congrats
> > > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:01:52 -0500
> > >
> > > -
> > > I'll admit, I have always been competitive about numbers-but having
> > fun was
> > > more important. However, I have been getting really frustrated lately
> > with
> > > the quality of caches. If it is where you can get 400 in a day, it is
> > way
> > > over the line. In the early days we were also competitive on the
> > numbers,
> > > but we had more fun competing. It was about finding high quality
> > caches.
> > > Now it is about lifting a lamppost or throwing down a hundred or so
> > > containers. In the past, caches would be in neat places, a nice walk,
> > or a
> > > devilish challenge. You did not have lamppost caches, guardrail
> > caches,
> > > playground caches, throwaway series, etc. Cache hiders would not hide
> > a
> > > cache somewhere just because it was possible to hide one there. You
> > would
> > > not have to look in unsafe places. You did not have puzzle caches.
> > Well
> > > there were some mistakes like "locationless caches" and the yellow
> > jeep.
> > >
> > > It was much more fun back then. I remember all the times we would
> > have
> > > SLAGA group hunts and go out and find a couple of caches and everyone
> > had a
> > > great time. This was much more fun than going from one lamppost to
> > the next
> > > playground to the guard rail. There are still many great caches and
> > series
> > > that come out - but it is hard to separate them from all the lame
> > caches.
> > > Its still fun, but it was more fun in the early days. I am a
> > conservative
> > > when it comes to caching. It took me 2 years to find my first 400
> > caches.
> > > Now you can find 400 in one day? All I can say is I had hundreds of
> > times
> > > more fun finding my first 400 than anyone could have finding 400 in
> > one day.
> > >
> > > I blame it on Nashville. This is where the change from quality to
> > quantity
> > > began. I went to GeoWoodstock in 2004 and was horrified with the way
> > it was
> > > in Nashville (it was like everywhere is now). In 2004, the STL area
> > was
> > > still all quality caches. So I decided to make a statement about it
> > with my
> > > Nashville Decoy cache:
> > >
> > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid#3e8553-208b-
> > 4860-b3
> > > b9-21d9e6340b54
> > >
> > > GCKKF0
> > >
> > > I set up the cahce as a statement I wanted the STL area to continue
> > to be a
> > > quality cache area and a swipe at Nashville. Take a look at what I
> > said on
> > > the cache page and you can see I lost the war. When cachers from
> > Nashville
> > > came in town and found it, they were really upset with me. But they
> > won
> > > out.
> > >
> > > I think the balance between numbers and quality is way out of wack
> > and I
> > > wish gc.com would crack down on some of this stuff.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim Bensman
> > > "Nature Bats Last"
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-
> > > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Griffin
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:55 PM
> > > > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Congrats
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > It was 16 hours and they had a power run. Now that Groundspeak is
> > > > allowing
> > > > power trails, everyone is setting them up. 30 miles of road with a
> > > > cache
> > > > every .1 is 300 caches. Someone could do those really easy. Since
> > they
> > > > were
> > > > outside Denver, it was a breeze to get them all done in a single
> > day.
> > > >
> > > > There are several runs in the US where you could get 400 caches in
> > a
> > > > day.
> > > > Don't be so naïve people! These will be all too common. In my
> > opinion,
> > > > it's
> > > > not about how many you get. It's about how much fun you have doing
> > it!
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Arlene Jones
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:59 PM
> > > > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Congrats
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > I sat here doing the same math. I have to say that I am in awe of
> > the
> > > > abilities. 2 1/2 minutes to get from one cache to the next, find
> > it,
> > > > and
> > > > sign the log? Heck it takes me that long to get the log out of some
> > > > caches!
> > > > I agree, we need a workshop! So just who will our speakers be?
> > > >
> > > > > From: gmalibby@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Congrats
> > > > > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:16:21 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > > -
> > > > > I am always amazed at the epic numbers of caches often found by
> > > > groups of
> > > > > cachers. Does this mean that four cachers each saw 311 caches and
> > > > moved
> > > > > together from one to the next (a distance of at least .1 of a
> > mile)?
> > > > That
> > > > is
> > > > > an average of one every 2.5 minutes. Can you really move 4
> > cachers
> > > > that
> > > > > fast? And that leaves no room for potty breaks. All guys? They
> > must
> > > > have
> > > > > been in IL at Muther's caches. Or was someone bringing them all
> > by a
> > > > central
> > > > > location?
> > > > >
> > > > > Like I say. Amazed! I think we need a workshop on how to do this
> > > > miraculous
> > > > > task.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe like you say it is only a rumor.
> > > > >
> > > > > GmaLibby
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "john leenerts" <johnnybgood1@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 12:19 PM
> > > > > Subject: [GeoStL] Congrats
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -
> > > > > Rumor has it a group of four SLAGA members found 311 caches in
> > about
> > > > 13
> > > > > hours.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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