[GeoStL] Re: Challenging the NPS ban on geocaching RE: Re: FW: ohiobill contacting you from Geocaching.com

Nice detective work. I think it sounds great. We need to take action now,
before irreparable harm is done by uninformed hypocrites who think that they
know what is best for you and me. Now is the time to take our stand.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Henke" <thunder_monk@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:42 AM
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Challenging the NPS ban on geocaching RE: Re: FW:
ohiobill contacting you from Geocaching.com


> Sounds good to me Jim ....I will gladly write a letter
> to the NPS expressing my views concerning their ban on
> geocaching....let me know when you want me to do it
> and I will send it off....I will need the address
> though ...you might want to send it around on the list
> so we all have it
>
> Dan
>
> --- Jim Bensman <jbensman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > In working on my letter to the NPS over the removal
> > of my cache, I have
> > looked a lot closer at NPS regulations and policies.
> >  I have found that not
> > only does the NPS regulations the NPS claims
> > prohibit Geocaching not apply,
> > I have also looked at the NPS regulations and
> > policies on managing
> > recreation.  These regulations and policies very
> > clearly do not allow the
> > NPS to simply ban a recreational use.  For example,
> > the NPS must allow a
> > recreational use "if they are appropriate to the
> > purpose for which the park
> > was established and they can be sustained without
> > causing unacceptable
> > impacts to park resources or values."  I have also
> > found some good language
> > in the law that established the Ozark National
> > Scenic Riverways as one of
> > its purpose is the, "use and enjoyment of the
> > outdoor recreation resources
> > thereof by the people of the United States."
> >
> > I think the NPS's response to the letter I am
> > preparing has the potential to
> > be precedent setting and a means to challenge the
> > NPS's nationwide ban of
> > Geocaching on any NPS managed land.  So I think it
> > is very important to get
> > in comments to the Ozark National Scenic Riverways
> > opposing the NPS's
> > outright ban.
> >
> > I have the email address for the park.  What I would
> > suggest doing is:  1)
> > Place my letter to the NPS on SLGA's web site; 2)
> > Place an alert on the web
> > site (and other places) urging people to write the
> > NPS asking for the
> > elimination on the outright banning of Geocaching;
> > and 3) Have SLAGA send
> > the Ozark National Scenic Riverways a letter asking
> > them to meet with us to
> > discuss the issue.
> >
> > What do others think?
> >
> > I hope to have my letter finished today.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
> > Of glenn l nash
> > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:46 PM
> > > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: FW: ohiobill contacting you
> > from Geocaching.com
> > >
> > >
> > >  wow, good detective work..
> > >
> > > glenn
> > > --
> > >
> > > On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:14:10
> > >  Jim Bensman wrote:
> > > >The Park Service web site was back on line today
> > so I was able
> > > to track him
> > > >down.  He is after all a ranger on the Ozark
> > National River:
> > > >
> > > >William D. O'Donnell
> > > >PARK RANGER (INTERPRETATION)
> > > >
> > > >It is time to challenge them. The first step will
> > be a letter to the Park
> > > >Superintent.  I am also going to draft something
> > to challenge the NPS's
> > > >nationwide refusal to allow caching on any NPS
> > lands.
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of Glenn
> > > >> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 7:34 PM
> > > >> To: SLAGA
> > > >> Subject: [GeoStL] FW: ohiobill contacting you
> > from Geocaching.com
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Our friend, and a special friend of Myotis, is
> > back. He seems friendly
> > > >> enough this time but I wonder why the Ranger
> > doesn't use his
> > > >> official Ranger
> > > >> address like Ranger Wally did?
> > > >>
> > > >> Earl, do you know ranger Ohio Bill?
> > > >>
> > > >> When he trashed Myotis caches we thought he was
> > a crackpot. If
> > > he is not I
> > > >> don't want to aggravate him but I would like to
> > chat with him
> > > >> some to see if
> > > >> he talks like a ranger.
> > > >>
> > > >> Heck, that won't work,  Myotis can chat like a
> > lawyer and he
> > > doesn't even
> > > >> play one on TV. :) Anybody want to chat with
> > the ranger?
> > > >>
> > > >> Glenn
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Geocaching.com User Email BOT
> > [mailto:emailer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > >> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 7:17 PM
> > > >> To: glnash
> > > >> Subject: ohiobill contacting you from
> > Geocaching.com
> > > >>
> > > >> THIS IS AN AUTOMATED EMAIL MESSAGE FROM
> > GEOCACHING.COM
> > > >> This user has given you their email address, so
> > simply reply to
> > > >> this message
> > > >> to contact them directly. Please send any abuse
> > complaints to
> > > >> contact@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> > > >>
> > > >> User ohiobill has contacted you with the
> > following message:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd like to thank you VERY MUCH for making this
> > a virtual cache. I am a
> > > >> National Park Service Ranger at Ozark National
> > Scenic Riverways,
> > > >> responsible
> > > >> for, among other things, Devils Well.
> > > >>
> > > >> The Park Service considers "real caches" to be
> > simply litter. In
> > > >> most parks
> > > >> they are just retrieved and thrown away, in
> > some we cite the
> > > leaver if we
> > > >> can find them.
> > > >>
> > > >> It would be great for everyone concerned if the
> > idea of ONLY
> > > doing virtual
> > > >> caches in national parks could become a
> > cornerstone of geocaching
> > > >> ethics. It
> > > >> would be sad for a cool hobby if it became real
> > confrontational.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for doing the right thing, and maybe you
> > can help spread this
> > > >> message. Most national parks do watch the
> > website, and some
> > > folks can be
> > > >> rather gung-ho.
> > > >>
> > > >> By the way, I have climbed those stairs a
> > million times and have
> > > >> no clue how
> > > >> many steps!
> > > >>
> > > >> Thank you,
> > > >>
> > > >> Ranger Bill
> > > >>
> > > >> The user has also sent you their email address
> > (or reply to
> > > this message):
> > > >> ohiobill@xxxxxxx
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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