[GeoStL] Re: Challenging the NPS ban on geocaching RE: Re: FW: ohiobill contacting you from Geocaching.com

Sounds good to me Jim ....I will gladly write a letter
to the NPS expressing my views concerning their ban on
geocaching....let me know when you want me to do it
and I will send it off....I will need the address
though ...you might want to send it around on the list
so we all have it 

Dan 

--- Jim Bensman <jbensman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> In working on my letter to the NPS over the removal
> of my cache, I have
> looked a lot closer at NPS regulations and policies.
>  I have found that not
> only does the NPS regulations the NPS claims
> prohibit Geocaching not apply,
> I have also looked at the NPS regulations and
> policies on managing
> recreation.  These regulations and policies very
> clearly do not allow the
> NPS to simply ban a recreational use.  For example,
> the NPS must allow a
> recreational use "if they are appropriate to the
> purpose for which the park
> was established and they can be sustained without
> causing unacceptable
> impacts to park resources or values."  I have also
> found some good language
> in the law that established the Ozark National
> Scenic Riverways as one of
> its purpose is the, "use and enjoyment of the
> outdoor recreation resources
> thereof by the people of the United States."
> 
> I think the NPS's response to the letter I am
> preparing has the potential to
> be precedent setting and a means to challenge the
> NPS's nationwide ban of
> Geocaching on any NPS managed land.  So I think it
> is very important to get
> in comments to the Ozark National Scenic Riverways
> opposing the NPS's
> outright ban.
> 
> I have the email address for the park.  What I would
> suggest doing is:  1)
> Place my letter to the NPS on SLGA's web site; 2)
> Place an alert on the web
> site (and other places) urging people to write the
> NPS asking for the
> elimination on the outright banning of Geocaching;
> and 3) Have SLAGA send
> the Ozark National Scenic Riverways a letter asking
> them to meet with us to
> discuss the issue.
> 
> What do others think?
> 
> I hope to have my letter finished today.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
> Of glenn l nash
> > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:46 PM
> > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: FW: ohiobill contacting you
> from Geocaching.com
> >
> >
> >  wow, good detective work..
> >
> > glenn
> > --
> >
> > On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:14:10
> >  Jim Bensman wrote:
> > >The Park Service web site was back on line today
> so I was able
> > to track him
> > >down.  He is after all a ranger on the Ozark
> National River:
> > >
> > >William D. O'Donnell
> > >PARK RANGER (INTERPRETATION)
> > >
> > >It is time to challenge them. The first step will
> be a letter to the Park
> > >Superintent.  I am also going to draft something
> to challenge the NPS's
> > >nationwide refusal to allow caching on any NPS
> lands.
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Glenn
> > >> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 7:34 PM
> > >> To: SLAGA
> > >> Subject: [GeoStL] FW: ohiobill contacting you
> from Geocaching.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Our friend, and a special friend of Myotis, is
> back. He seems friendly
> > >> enough this time but I wonder why the Ranger
> doesn't use his
> > >> official Ranger
> > >> address like Ranger Wally did?
> > >>
> > >> Earl, do you know ranger Ohio Bill?
> > >>
> > >> When he trashed Myotis caches we thought he was
> a crackpot. If
> > he is not I
> > >> don't want to aggravate him but I would like to
> chat with him
> > >> some to see if
> > >> he talks like a ranger.
> > >>
> > >> Heck, that won't work,  Myotis can chat like a
> lawyer and he
> > doesn't even
> > >> play one on TV. :) Anybody want to chat with
> the ranger?
> > >>
> > >> Glenn
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Geocaching.com User Email BOT
> [mailto:emailer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 7:17 PM
> > >> To: glnash
> > >> Subject: ohiobill contacting you from
> Geocaching.com
> > >>
> > >> THIS IS AN AUTOMATED EMAIL MESSAGE FROM
> GEOCACHING.COM
> > >> This user has given you their email address, so
> simply reply to
> > >> this message
> > >> to contact them directly. Please send any abuse
> complaints to
> > >> contact@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> User ohiobill has contacted you with the
> following message:
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> I'd like to thank you VERY MUCH for making this
> a virtual cache. I am a
> > >> National Park Service Ranger at Ozark National
> Scenic Riverways,
> > >> responsible
> > >> for, among other things, Devils Well.
> > >>
> > >> The Park Service considers "real caches" to be
> simply litter. In
> > >> most parks
> > >> they are just retrieved and thrown away, in
> some we cite the
> > leaver if we
> > >> can find them.
> > >>
> > >> It would be great for everyone concerned if the
> idea of ONLY
> > doing virtual
> > >> caches in national parks could become a
> cornerstone of geocaching
> > >> ethics. It
> > >> would be sad for a cool hobby if it became real
> confrontational.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for doing the right thing, and maybe you
> can help spread this
> > >> message. Most national parks do watch the
> website, and some
> > folks can be
> > >> rather gung-ho.
> > >>
> > >> By the way, I have climbed those stairs a
> million times and have
> > >> no clue how
> > >> many steps!
> > >>
> > >> Thank you,
> > >>
> > >> Ranger Bill
> > >>
> > >> The user has also sent you their email address
> (or reply to
> > this message):
> > >> ohiobill@xxxxxxx
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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