[GeoStL] Re: Bad Karma GCCB93 & Blue Monkey GCCB92
- From: "p5409" <p5409@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 22:10:11 -0500
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I hope you never come to our area in Illinois to geocache. Here we believe
not only in keeping the environment safe but we believe we are adult enough
to play nicely without getting threatened with court papers. All I can say
is, if you don't like certain caches then don't look for them. Seporp1
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From: "J.A. Terranson" <measl@xxxxxxx>
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:38 PM
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Bad Karma GCCB93 & Blue Monkey GCCB92
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> On Sun, 8 May 2005, Gale R. Nie wrote:
>
> > Take a breath now, you're starting to turn blue.
>
> Excellent observation. I am in fact turning blue at the large number of
> people here who are zeroing in on the fact that I pulled a cache, but are
> choosing to ignore the reasoning (you fall in to this category as well).
>
> > I, like most geocachers
> > want to help keep the environment in the best shape we can, but a single
> > illegal cache or even a couple are not going to bring about total
> > destruction of the world's ecosystems in the next day or two.
>
> Also agreed.
>
> > I think why
> > most people would object to you removing the caches is because you
declared
> > yourself judge, jury and executioner and took immediate action
>
> BZZZZTTT. Thats where you left the tracks. Likely because you read way
> too many posts on this in a short time and it all got jumbled. There is a
> LOT of history on these two caches, although I did not know it prior to my
> description of yesterday's super hike. I do now, and have enumerated it
> in several prior posts now, so I won't bother to do it again.
>
> > when there
> > are proper and courteous steps that could and should have been taken to
> > resolve this problem you have with the caches in question.
>
> All of which were taken. And when they do not work, then each of us has
> to make a personal decision as to what is the right course of action and
> then follow through on it. That is what you have here. The fact that is
> is apparently wildly unpopular bothers me not at all. If the cache owner
> ever chooses to show up and refresh these caches for the remains they had
> left there for MONTHS without repair, and if the Land Manager chooses to
> rescind his/her specific use order, etc., I'll be happy to even help the
> cacher re-place these. But in their present condition they are (a) a
> hazard to the are they live in, (b) unusuable because they are long
> abandoned, etc...
>
> > You talk about
> > going to court to keep these caches out but you certainly didn't give
anyone
> > else their "day in court" before you took action.
>
> See above.
>
>
> > No matter how right you
> > think you were to remove them, you were wrong. If you want to have that
> > much power, maybe you should become a reviewer for gc.com,
>
> I do not have either the time nor the disposition for such a position,
> although there are several people here who I think would do a rather good
> job at it (Susan Ring comes to mind).
>
> > but I doubt they
> > would allow that now after your actions today. Just my 2-cents.
>
> Like I said, it's not an office I would ever seek, so it's really not an
> issue. But, to flip the question of "what GC.com might "like", I don't
> think they'd be real happy having to face down a TRO to get their local
> admins to stop allowing dangerous or illegal caches.
>
> > Gale
>
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> Yours,
>
> J.A. Terranson
> sysadmin@xxxxxxx
> 0xBD4A95BF
>
> "What this country needs is a good old fashioned nuclear enema."
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