[GeoStL] Re: Ammo Cans?

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Jim, 

I am not 100% positive that the real reason places
don't want them used is because they can not be seen
through....I think it is more the fact that they are
named "AMMO BOXES" and they are painted that god awful
military green color....There are many types of
containers used and quite a few of them are not "see
through" especially in the category of
"micros".....and I have even seen caches made from PVC
pipe and things like that. I honestly believe if the
ammo boxes were repainted a different color to hide
the ammunition information and they were described on
the page as a water proof metal container there would
not be as big a problem with them. IMHO of course...

Dan

--- Jim Bensman <jbensman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> -
> Sounds good in theory, but that is not reality. 
> There are lots of people
> working for these agencies and they all don't know
> what is there.  Glen's
> Greer Spring Cache was in an ammo can and Forest
> Service law enforcement
> found it and thought it was drugs.  So they removed
> it.  The Forest
> Supervisor of the Mark Twain National Forest told me
> it was OK to place
> caches in Wilderness Areas, but a employee recently
> removed the Pioneer
> cache.  So don't expect every employee to know what
> they are stumbling upon.
> 
> And then there are people stumbling on it.
> 
> Let's also not forget about that guy from CA who hid
> an ammo can by a
> railroad.  The bomb squad got called out and the
> cache placer was arrested
> and got fined thousands of dollars.
> 
> People are certainly free to use them in places that
> don't allow them.  But
> I think it is not a good idea.  Simply my opinion. 
> What would be nice would
> be a good ammo can that was see through.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
> Of Mike Griffin
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 7:07 PM
> > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Ammo Cans?
> >
> >
> > -
> > I think if you "Place with Permission" they will
> know the contents and it
> > doesn't become an issue. Busch comes to mind as
> John knows each cache, its
> > location and contents. I know that some places are
> stating they want it
> > clear see through and we should follow that to a
> T. Illinois is
> > one of those
> > states that acted before they understood the
> purpose of geocaching. Quite
> > frankly, it was just approached wrong from the
> beginning in Chicago. Many
> > placed without permission. This is why it is so
> important to state how it
> > can benefit the park. Show it to be advantageous
> and you will
> > definitely win
> > them over regardless of the container.
> >
> > I like ammo cans in certain areas and other areas
> I would prefer to see
> > tupperware. It all depends on where you place
> them. If you are
> > several miles
> > into the woods and hidden behind a log or in a
> stump, ammo cans last a lot
> > longer. They pose no threat being so remotely
> located. If you are in the
> > more public areas, it only makes sense to use
> plastic..
> >
> > Besides, Ammo cans hold more of Glenns Diaper
> wrapped disposable
> > batteries..
> > :-)
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Bensman" <jbensman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 5:31 PM
> > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Ammo Cans?
> >
> >
> > > -
> > > IMHO, in this day and age, people should not use
> ammo containers.  They
> > > should use a container that people who stumble
> upon it can see inside so
> > > they can see it is not something dangerous. 
> When I have
> > listened to land
> > > managers about geocaching, ammo boxes and
> containers that you cannot see
> > > inside concerns them.  I understand IL plans to
> ban their use on state
> > > lands.  I have never placed a cache in one and
> never will.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Dan Henke
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:29 PM
> > > > To: geocaching
> > > > Subject: [GeoStL] Ammo Cans?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Stopped by the Army Surplus store just west of
> Rolla
> > > > last night and they have very nice ammo boxes
> for $3
> > > > to $5 .....In the course of talking with the
> owner he
> > > > was saying that ammo boxes will be getting
> harder to
> > > > find now that ammo comes in cardboard boxes.
> He was
> > > > also asking if I knew anyone who would like a
> bunch of
> > > > ammo boxes....He is placing a bid on a lot of
> ammo
> > > > boxes at Ft. Leonard Wood and doesn't have
> room for
> > > > them all.....He is bidding on 1500 to 3000
> boxes....He
> > > > only has room for about half of them....I told
> him I
> > > > would ask here if there was anyone or a group
> that
> > > > would like to purchase a bunch at one
> time....probably
> > > > get a very good deal on them!!!!
> > > >
> > > > If you are interested let me know and I will
> start
> > > > negotiations with him on price etc....or I
> will put
> > > > you in touch with him.
> > > >
> > > > Dan (Thunder)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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