Nothing's forcing you to use that desktop. There's another desktop that
doesn't use DirectX. I don't recall ever saying it's a good thing. I just
said that I wish people would actually *read* official press releases
instead of rumours, before they go off and complain about something they
failed to take the time to get facts for. I, personally, don't use DirectX.
I'm an OpenGL programmer, and would hate to see it die; but, I was stating
what I've read from press releases from Microsoft and from DirectX MVPs.
Now, I really don't see OpenGL going away any time soon, since it's
expanding onto so many devices and consoles. As long as people want to use
it, OpenGL will be around. And the card manufacturers would likely want to
keep it going. However, should that happen, it's a part of technology's
advancement, and if you want to keep up with the technology, you'll either
have to adapt, or find a new field. It's harsh; but, it's the truth. Either
way, I'll adapt to what's available to me.
From: Ken Johnson <johnsk16@xxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: OpenGL reality check. Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:24:10 -0700
So they are going to support their own API, yea ok, makes sense. But to feed OpenGL calls through DirectX for the vista desktop? They are intentionally killing performance to force people who want to use the new desktop to use DirectX or suffer performance penalties. I don't know how you can sit there and say thats a good thing.
On 12/17/05, Kevin Fields <drunkendruid@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> But Microsoft isn't phasing out OpenGL. They've said that they (Microsoft)
> aren't going to support anything past OpenGL 1.5, and that further
> implementations and support will be up to the individual card manufacturers.
> Their reason for this is that they're developing a new set of video drivers
> that are going to add a whole new way of doing GPU programming, and it would
> be a huge drain of time to support both DirectX 9/10 AND further
> implementations of OpenGL, when the new setup is optimized specifically for
> DirectX.
>
> There's an article on GameDev.Net by one of the DirectX MVPs. He talks about
> DirectX 10's architecture, and how it fits with Vista.
>
> Here's the article:
> http://www.gamedev.net/reference/articles/article2280.asp
>
> Kevin
>
> >From: Olof Bjarnason <olof.bjarnason@xxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: OpenGL reality check.
> >Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:15:21 +0100
> >
> >There is at least one thing that makes MS attempt to put down OpenGL
> >performance inconceivable: very many CAD programs rely on OpenGL, and if
> >OpenGL performance drops, CAD users will take notice, thus making Windows
> >Vista a "not so good option for CAD users". The CAD users are quite many..
> >And don't tell me CAD programs "does not need the realtime experience like
> >games" - try that statement on a young mechanical engineer/designer in your
> >neighbourhood! Realtime if VERY important if you sit all day designing
> >stuff..
> >
> >Just my 2cc
> >
> >/Olof
> >
> >On 12/17/05, Kevin Fields <drunkendruid@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > Microsoft isn't trying to kill OpenGL. They just aren't supporting it
> > > using
> > > the new desktop. The new desktop shell is using DirectX 10 to take
> > > advantage
> > > of the hardware. The old desktop is still available, which, as Microsoft
> > > had
> > > stated, will have support for up to GL 1.5. Beyond 1.5, Microsoft is
> > > leaving
> > > the support up to the individual card manufacturers, which is what's
> > > currently happening anyway.
> > >
> > > But, people are panicking because Vista's default desktop is using
> >DirectX
> > > 10, and will convert OpenGL calls to DirectX calls. These people are
> > > causing
> > > mass hysteria with no good reason to. They just refuse to find out
> > > accurate
> > > information.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Bob Pendleton <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Reply-To: gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >To: gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: OpenGL reality check.
> > > >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:38:03 -0600
> > > >
> > > >On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 15:59 -0600, Matthew Weigel wrote:
> > > > > Bob Pendleton wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > o Is OpenGL still a viable graphics API for use on Windows?
> > > > >
> > > > > Books are still being published on the subject of OpenGL on Windows;
> >I
> > > > > think it's doing fine. Games are still coming out that use OpenGL
> >as
> > > > > well.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a big to-do going on regarding Vista, per
> > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL#Future_in_Microsoft_Windows, but
> >I
> > > > > suspect that Microsoft will back down very quickly when users begin
> >to
> > > > > view their decision as degrading the performance of *old* OpenGL
> > > games,
> > > > > never mind new ones.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks for that pointer.
> > > >
> > > > Bob Pendleton
> > > >
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