[gameprogrammer] Re: MMO Idea
- From: "AIM3CPO BRADLEY" <bradles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 11:58:59 -0500
Interesting topic. I don't believe the best approach to an MMO is to force game
play preference on players. If a player wants to be a lone wolf, they should
have that opportunity. If you want to entice them to play in teams then have a
reward system for that type of game play without limiting the lone players.
I.e. More experience, loot, monster spawns . . . Could be anything. As stated
earlier, people are going to act in unpredictable ways. This in itself is a
good thing. As developers, instead of trying to tailor the game to how we
"think" the player "should" play, create a rule set for your world in a logical
manner. It would need to be something that can stand on its own when the
players start tinkering with the various facets of the game. Simply, we can't
(and never will be able to) guess what any particular player is going to try
and do. We can, give them a solid rule set to interface the world with and let
their imagination run wild! After all, isn't that what gaming is about?
Steven
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> One of the problems I see in the system is the individuality inherent to
> humans.
> I have some experience with online games and even when the idea is to
> collaborate and play in team, it is always hard to find a good team even
> when there are a lot of players with the same needs (xp, items, etc).
> The most effective way to force player to something close to full time
> teamplay I have seen is in games like Vendetta or Ogame. An alone player
> is easy prey for players beloging to powerfull alliances.
> And this is the only way I see to force collaborative play. Make the
> environment so hard and aggressive that lonely wolves cant survive.
I realize a lot of people want to start out on their own and check things
out. I expect to have some of the more traditional NPC missions and NPC ran
cities where you can buy items, rent vehicles, etc... But in the end, you'll
never get the really good stuff at an NPC city.
Out side of the city players are vulnerable, everything is potentially a
PvP, but since players don't become SUPER only corporations do, I don't
foresee a wild player going around killing everyone. A nasty corporation
might attempt that, but that's where the other corporations might band
together and take them down. Once a corporation is taken down, they can
lose everything and have to start all over again.
Individual players can save their DNA and come back as clones, but if you
have no items to come back to, you're still starting over except for the
personal experience your character has learned.
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> Charlie Lobo wrote:
> > Your idea sounds great, but I fear that various problems might arise.
> > Not because the system is flawed, but because we humans love to break
> > systems and take advantage of them. Maybe you should start a MUD
> > experimenting with some of the new social factors, to be able to check
> > how the system actually works. It'd be easier and of course it'd be a
> > good game. It doesn't have to be THAT game, but a game where some of
> > the concepts you talk of are used. Maybe this could be on the medieval
> > times, there'd still be a lot to deal with.
> > I don't say how people could ruin the game, because I have no idea,
> > but then again I'm not everyone else to know what they can think of.
> > Just a tip, I've seen lots of good ideas fail and be ignored because
> > they where implemented in a too ambitious proposal without first
> > seeing what people would do. If it were a simpler project, failure
> > wouldn't be as bad and fixes are easier. In a MUD you can always add
> > new things by adding more text :P.
> >
Yes, I've often thought about this. I was looking to do a completely text
based game, then I was thinking to do a hybrid like Runescape.
The more I got into each I questioned would anyone really play a text game
in volume these days, and given the amount of work to do it in a 2D Hybrid
like Runescape is not a trivial project and maybe I should just do it full
3D.
I agree with both your points that people are human natured and as such will
try and break, corrupt and influence the game play for themselves. However,
I kind of think that's the idea too. As long as the game isn't being
hacked, which is a different challenge, I want to provide the gaming
community the tools to self police.
Thanks for the feedback
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