Bob, I know you are into martial arts. This guy runs a computer programmers dojo (is that the right name?). Basically a private programmers school modelled after a martial arts school. I thought it was a cool idea. Chris -- E-Mail: Chris Nystrom <cnystrom@xxxxxxxxx> Saving the world from web programming. http://www.newio.org - G-Talk: cnystrom --------------------- To unsubscribe go to http://gameprogrammer.com/mailinglist.html