[gameprogrammer] Re: AGD Educational Panel Discussion

On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 15:43 -0500, David Olsen wrote:
> Bob,
> You just met your first! 

That is very cool!

                Bob Pendleton


> I am a musician(opera singer, currently starting a 
> Doctoral degree in voice at University of Oklahoma) and I program on the 
> side for fun. I just started with Nehe's OpenGL tutorials, so I can learn 
> some 3D. After finding SDL(YAY!), I programmed a game for my kids last 
> summer called "Greeble Roundup". I've even used it in my Aural skills(ear 
> training) class to teach my music students about identifying/differentiating 
> basic musical forms, like binary, rounded binary, and ternary. I will also 
> some day pick up your net2 library and do some multiplayer games 
> programming(I'm going to start simple - TicTacToe, and work up from there.)
> Well, there you have it.
> -Dave
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bob Pendleton" <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 12:08 PM
> Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: AGD Educational Panel Discussion
> 
> 
> > On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 09:24 -0700, Kevin Jenkins wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Pendleton wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 2005-08-18 at 17:43 -0700, Kevin Jenkins wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Thanks for the link.  I don't understand this quote though:
> >> >>
> >> >>QUESTION FROM AUDIENCE: What is the ideal portfolio?
> >> >>
> >> >>GORDON: Too across the board freaks me out, unless they are going for
> >> >>Producer. A programmer showing art freaks me out.
> >> >>
> >> >>I'd much sooner hire a programmer that could also do art.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > It is just the way Gordon thinks, his personal opinion. It is very
> >> > common to find programmers that are also artists so I too find his
> >> > attitude a little odd. On the other hand, if someone is applying for a
> >> > programming job, but has spent a lot of time working as a production
> >> > artist, you have to wonder about how dedicated he is to being a
> >> > programmer.
> >> >
> >> > Bob Pendleton
> >>
> >> A person with dual skills like this would be very valuable to me.  In a
> >> small company they could help out with either art or programming and
> >> would feel highly valued and able to contribute more meaning to the
> >> game.  In a large company they could switch gears if needed.  If not,
> >> they have a much better understanding of the tools the artists use.
> >> This is extremely useful for programmers that interact closely with
> >> artists, such as importing or exporting animations.  To me, how
> >> dedicated they are to programming isn't an issue in relation to how
> >> dedicated they are to the company.  Programmers quit quite frequently as
> >> it is anyway.
> >>
> >> If I knew of someone like this I'd hire them in a second for my own
> >> little company right now.  A huge problem I'm facing right now is I'm
> >> unable to make any real art.
> >
> > Yeah, for a small company what you say makes sense. The truly
> > independent developer needs to be able to do some art work and needs to
> > be able to evaluate art work. They also need to be able to do that with
> > sound and music. The independent is really a producer who happens to do
> > most of his own programming.
> >
> > But, it doesn't work that way in larger companies where you have a staff
> > of artists and a staff of programmers. There is a lot of difference
> > between knowing the tools well enough to tell the artists what to export
> > and to be able to write code needed to import it and having the skills
> > needed to create production quality art. As far as I can tell they
> > aren't even related. Then there is the difference in salaries.
> > Historically programmers make much more than artists. Few companies are
> > willing to pay a programmers salary for someone who is spending their
> > time doing art.
> >
> > Like I said earlier: It is rare to find a good programmer who is not
> > also an artist or musician. But, programmers rarely spend the time
> > needed to become great artists or musicians. If they wanted to be great
> > artists and musicians they wouldn't spend their time programming.
> >
> > OTOH, I have never met anyone who called them selves and artist or
> > musician who also happened to do some programming on the side. Odd how
> > that works out.
> >
> > Bob Pendleton
> >
> >
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