[gameprogrammer] Re: 18 hours

I think this is a great idea, are you thinking of also doing an online
series of classes for this ?  I would be more than happy to supply some
webspace and a dedicated set of forums just for this purpose.  I have a
whole 2nd domain / website, not being used currently since I moved Pain
Killa Entertainment website over to pain-killa.com now, so painkilla.org
would be open if you would like to help clear the old forums out,
restructure for the class type setup, meaning questions and answers, extra
help, lessons, tests, answers, projects, etc..

Just a thought...  Oh yea, on the note of a book to possibly use:  I think
3D Game Engine Design is a great book, and I hear the author is making a 2nd
edition, the book walks you through creating a decent / high quality 3d game
engine, explains a lot of the principles, comes with the full sourcecode to
the finished engine wild magic currently at version 3.1, if you download the
updates from the website, and whats more the engine is cross platform
Direct3D and openGL, hardware accelerated renderer as well as the good old
almost obsolete software renderer now, really think he should cut this part
out, it has a lot of wasted code, and is not really necessary since most If
not all users today have at least a 64meg hardware accelerated 3D Card.

Anyways, I am excited about this, I actually am devoting my current and past
websites, not only to promoting and selling my current / past game releases,
but am also, trying to establish a one stop shop for assistance for all the
popular game / 3d type engines ex.  3Impact, DBPro, Blitz3D, Revolution3D,
3D Game Studio, Game Maker, Nuclear3D, Ogre3D.  Also, I and some other
members of my team are working on writing helpful tutorial articles geared
towards modeling, 2D Texture design, 2D hud / menu designs, and also ideas
not found on other websites, such as useful workflows I have optimized to
make the most effective use of time, with the best results, using a set of
tools, and the steps both 2D art, and 3D Modeling and even level design go
through to put together the content needed from start to finish for a
commercial quality game.

Give us a look, I try to keep my project diary updated daily, although its
not always easy to do this, since I am wearing many hats, besides 2 - 2D
Artists, my brother assisting 3D modeling, Braxton - Level Design, Sammy -
Physics, help with coding, Ryan - Constructive / Destructive ?? Criticism
;') as well as ideas, and willingness to help us get the main game in front
of a well know publisher, if we can get the demo cranked out in time, which
now has become even more important with the start of a contest we are very
interested in, and want to do well, I think that will help seal the deal
with the publisher.

Anyways, I didn't mean to rant on like this, I just wanted to let you know I
am in, and am here to help you in anyway you need it.  Just Holla.

Ken Cornett - Owner - MirroVision Studios / Pain Killa Entertainment
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From: gameprogrammer-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:gameprogrammer-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Slutzkin
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:31 PM
To: gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gameprogrammer] Re: 18 hours

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:26:15 -0600, "Bob Pendleton" <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
said:
> 
> Some time this year I will be trying to teach the basics of 3D graphics
> for game programmers in 6 classes of 3 hours each. It has been a looong
> time since I learned 3D graphics and so I only vaguely remember what was
> hard to learn and what was not. The assumption is that the students know
> how to program in C/C++, but there is no math requirement and no
> graphics requirement. I have a few other lectures that I plan to use to
> cover the basics of graphics hardware and I concepts such as a pixel and
> a surface and so on. 

Well, you're going to need to do at least one class of maths, I would
think, maybe more depending on the average level of the students.  Eric
Lengyel's Maths for 3D Game Programming and Computer Graphics would be
good for this, although it might be better to have one overall book.

> What I would like to hear from you is what you, as game programmers,
> would want to learn. What do you think are key concepts. What was hard
> for you to learn, and so on. You could help me a lot by telling me about
> your experiences learning 3D graphics. 

I found it easiest to learn this stuff with lots of practical examples. 
What does this concept actually mean for programming?  It's not so hard
to go back and fill in the gaps later, if you've got a basic
understanding of the concept and where it fits in.

> Oh, yeah... before I forget. What are the books and websites that helped
> you the most? I tend to stick to Foley & van Dam "Computer Graphics,
> Principles and Applications". But, I have had complaints from students
> about using that book. 

I don't like Foley et al for learners.  It's a really hard book,
honestly.  Something simpler would be better - can't think of anything
off the top of my head though.  Maybe one of the LaMothe books?  They're
quite simply written.

Dave.
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  Dave Slutzkin
  Melbourne, Australia
  daveslutzkin@xxxxxxxxxxx



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