Re: [foxboro] RE : RE : RE : Barriers to migration to Windows

Terry,

Don't know much about the object information.

As to standardizing a ghost backup offering:

At the Boston user group, the Invensys offering scheduled for an October re=
lease was fully demo'd to many attendees and even had scheduled info sessio=
ns.

There is a Server type offering where all machines backup to that server.
Also a manual offering to USB connected hardrive that you can move from wor=
kstation to workstation.

Both procedures allow workstation backup online while plant is running.


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Kevin,
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1. I agree.  Invensys should look at adding the optional package (Ghost, et=
c)
   to their Product so that it is supported and documented, etc. But we hav=
e to agree =

   not to complaint too much when their sell price is 5 times what you'd ha=
ve to pay
  at your local WALMART.
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2. Alex or Russ  -  Can you comment on which Application library resources =
were available under
   Solaris (IA V7.1) and are not available under MESH AW70 ? =

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Terry
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De: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx de la part de Kevin Fitzgerrell
Date: ven. 2007-08-31 00:05
=C0: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Objet : Re: [foxboro] RE : RE : Barriers to migration to Windows



Terry,

To clarify:
1) I specifically mentioned the use of Ghost or True Image for backups
and restores.  If this is the backup/restore method of choice, I'd
like to see this qualified, supported and documented by Foxboro, and
available as one of the ticks on the software license, or as a
separate offering.  My point is not that there is no effective method,
but rather that there is no effective documented/supported method.
How much time was spent with each customer discovering this, creating
their own SOP and deciding to support this themselves?  How many more
customers don't have an effective backup/restore method in place
because Foxboro hasn't qualified one?
2) My comments about the libraries and header files are based on an
event several years ago trying to assist a developer in accessing the
IA system.  I'm afraid I'd have to dig through old emails to remember
exactly what was missing and what Foxboro offered.  I do remember that
even working with FoxAPI numerous problems were encountered and that
Foxboro was extremely uninterested in addressing the CARs we raised.
3) I've had better luck with the Windows telnet rather than the Exceed
one.  As I recall there have been issues with both.  I'm not actually
using either currently, as I'm just working with Invensys on quoting
my mesh system now.  My comments are based on previous experience with
Foxboro XP boxes at 8.0/8.1.

Regards,

Kevin FitzGerrell

On 8/30/07, Doucet, Terrence <tdoucet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Please clarify these comments:
>
> 1) You can easily do tape backup/restore of the Solaris boxes.
> Windows it's fairly straightforward to do backups but full restores
> are not possible - need to re-install Windows, re-install I/A,
> re-commit and then restore custom files. ....................
>
> I have used Ghost many times to dump an AW70 hard drive to a "spare" driv=
e and have booted the AW70 from both drives to ensure that the back up is w=
orking correctly.  It is very fast. I think about three minutes.  We build =
the AW70 once only. We do not have to re-install anything.  Although Ghost =
can use many other types of media, we felt that a spare hard drive could ge=
t the computer back faster than any other media.
>
> The two hard drives are identical.  I suspect that if the computer died a=
nd we had to get another DELL from Foxboro which does not match the dead co=
mputer, then we might have to go through the whole build and perhaps take a=
 day to get it working. You are correct in that it is not part of the Foxbo=
ro offering and therefore not documented by standard Foxboro edoc.  But if =
you look at the Ghost cost  per license, it is very low and very easy to us=
e.
>
>
> It's interesting that you say that you can buy the Windows
> header/library files for ICCAPI, Object Manager and FoxAPI.  I was told
> flatly that these were not available.  Who did you talk to?
>
>
> I was under the impression that the only library that was not available i=
n the Windows world was Object Manager. The work around was to use FoxAPI o=
r AIMAPI. On AW70 we have many custom C programs that use AIMAPI to access =
the IA data.
>
>
>
> 3) All Solaris workstations are servers.  It is easy to open a remote
> DM/FV from any workstation to any other workstation.  Telnet, ftp,
> rmount, rcp, rlogin, rsh, nfs all just work.  SSH can be made to work.
> XP boxes are not really servers.  FTP works pretty well.  Telnet under
> the Nutcracker suite has some issues. ......................
>
> There are two telnet applications available to be activated on the 70 Ser=
ies,  Exceed's version and the WinXP (under Services).  The Exceed applicat=
ion is pretty old and does not seem to perform as well as the WinXP service=
.  Which are you using?
>
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> Terry
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