Re: [foxboro] P91 and remote clients

Alex or Russ,

I'm very interested in hearing a definitive answer to Ron's question.
He said:

Case #1: My understanding was that the remote Foxview using Internet
Explorer was connecting using TCP port 8080 and Internet Information
Services (IIS).(Web Server) This type of connection didn't need the
TS-Cal.

Is that a true statement?

He also said:

Case #2: When you connect with remote desktop connection (Formerly
Terminal Service Client on the NT system) you do require TS-Cals for
each machine(per device) or each user (per-seat).

From my reading of the excerpts included below from the article Russ
forwarded I came to this understanding.  It is confusing so I could be
wrong.

One user on one client machine would require two licenses:
1 Device CAL
1 User CAL

Two users on one client machine would require 3 licenses:
1 Device CAL
2 User CAL's

Ten users on one client machine would require 11 licenses:
1 Device CAL
10 User CAL's

Does everyone agree with that assumption?

Tom VandeWater

Excerpts from the link below follow:
http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-6345_11-5216896.html

Windows Server 2003 supports three basic types of licensing:

Device CAL: A per device license. This includes any device, computer,
handheld, etc., that connects to the terminal server. This cannot be
mixed with user CALs.=20

User CAL: A per-user license. A user can log in from as many different
devices as he or she wants, under a single license. This cannot be mixed
with device CALs.=20

External connector: A connector license to allow external users to make
use of your terminal server.=20

Every machine connecting to the terminal server needs a Windows Server
CAL in addition to a Terminal Services CAL. Here's a list of the various
components you need to make sure your Terminal Services infrastructure
is properly licensed:

A Windows Server license for each Terminal Services server=20

Windows Server CALs for every device that will connect to the Terminal
Services server=20

A Terminal Services CAL (either device- or user-based) for each device
or user that will use the services

Windows 2000 and Windows XP clients include a Windows 2000 Terminal
Services CAL. Unfortunately, this CAL does not extend to Windows Server
2003 Terminal Services. This means that, even for Windows 2000 and
Windows XP clients, you need to purchase TS CALs for Windows Server 2003
Terminal Services

-----Original Message-----
From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Ron Schafer
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:02 AM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [foxboro] P91 and remote clients

Alex,

>Re: So when I start a remote Foxview with Internet Explorer to a P91 I
>Am using a Terminal Server Client.
>
>Yes.

Perhaps I've misunderstood the question?

Case #1: My understanding was that the remote Foxview using Internet
Explorer was connecting using TCP port 8080 and Internet Information
Services (IIS).(Web Server) This type of connection didn't need the
TS-Cal.

Case #2: When you connect with remote desktop connection (Formerly
Terminal Service Client on the NT system) you are do require TS-Cals for
each machine(per device) or each user (per-seat).

 This developed into a big discussion a few years ago from our IT dept
and we resulted in consulting our MS rep who (I was told) verified it to
be correct. Also we were told that you need a TS-Cal only if you are
accessing the server from a client machine which was a operating system
that was older than the server.
 When terminal services are enabled, you must also enable a license
server somewhere on the network. This license server is responsible to
grant to selected terminal servers the rights to distribute and collect
the license to the clients. Without a license server (service) you are
time limited to the operation of the terminal servers. Also, this allows
your TS-Cals to be distributed to multiple terminal servers from a
central management location.

Examples:
Windows NT terminal server meant all windows 98/95 and earlier machines
need a TS-Cal. Windows NT and newer do not. This was explained as you
are licensed for the client machine with the license that is installed
on the client and it allows access to the server without additional
licenses.

It stands to reason that the new P91's (server 2003) are part of the XP
generation and with it as long as your Windows XP or newer, you don't
need any additional TS-Cals when using remote desktop.=3D20

Since this is a Microsoft license issue has any found any Microsoft
documentation that clarifies and/or supports this?=3D20

Ronald G. Schafer
10026 Old Ridge Rd.
Ashland Va. 23009
804-227-4034
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