Re: [foxboro] Informix Historian vs AIM*
- From: tom.vandewater@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:50:41 -0500
Thanks Alex,
I am unfamiliar with Wonderware's MMI or HMI. Does it have a
pre-existing client application that displays trending information that
comes from Industrial SQL's server? I noticed in a presentation about
Foxboro/Invensys future plans that IA series Level 5 mentions a "New
Visualization". What is the future of Foxview as the MMI for IA. Will it
be replaced by WonderWare? At Level 4 I see mention of IAWW which indicates
that IA might be moving away from Foxview as the display interface or at
least in parralell path with WW.
Tom VandeWater
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From: Johnson, Alex (Foxboro) [mailto:ajohnson@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 4:36 PM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [foxboro] Informix Historian vs AIM*
It does not replace the need for a local historian on the I/A Series if you
want trends in FoxView. The decision was made that Industrial SQL will not
source data to FoxView and similar applications, i.e., it does not support
the legacy historian's API nor the AIM* data API.
It does collect data from a variety of sources for off-platform analysis and
there are tools that work with it. The stated goal is to have common clients
for both AIM* and InSQL.
Alex Johnson
Invensys Systems, Inc.
10707 Haddington
Houston, TX 77043
713.722.2859 (office)
713.722.2700 (switchboard)
713.932.0222 (fax)
ajohnson@xxxxxxxxxxx
For the latest information on ArchestrA, go to
www.invensys.com/Archestra.html.
-----Original Message-----
From: tom.vandewater@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tom.vandewater@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 3:28 PM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [foxboro] Informix Historian vs AIM*
Does it eliminate your need to use AIM* on IA? It sounds like it can
integrate data from multiple systems. Does it have a graphical client for
user access to the database or is it basically an SQL server that serves
data to any client SQL request?
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From: James Kahlden [mailto:James.Kahlden@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 4:22 PM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [foxboro] Informix Historian vs AIM*
We have been using IndSQL for about 2 years now. Our version is 7.1. We
use it to collect plant information from 2 of our units which have Foxboro
I/A and 1 unit which is controlled with Bailey Net/Infi90. What questions
do you have about it?
Jim Kahlden
jkahlden@xxxxxxxx
Lower Colorado River Authority
Fayette Power Project
6549 Power Plant Road
La Grange, TX 78945
(979) 249-8514 (Ph)
(979) 249-8390 (Fax)
>>> JMilum@xxxxxxx 03/28/03 02:48PM >>>
> One has to wonder if AIM* will soon evolve into something
> different because of the ARCHESTRA initiative. Will this
> obsolete AIM* and require still another license??
At the last User's Group meeting in Orlando, I believe they said the new
Arche$trA historian will be WonderWare's IndustrialSQL. I have included a
blurb from their website (WonderWare) seeming to confirm this. Does anyone
have any experience with IndustrialSQL?
"IndustrialSQL 8.0 is also the plant historian compliant with Invensys' new
ArchestrA(r) platform. It will enable customers to build solutions for
today's and tomorrow's demanding environments, not only through its flexible
architecture, but also through its ease of use in configuration and
deployment."
Jeremy Milum
Kerr-McGee Chemical LLC
(662)343-6517
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From: tom.vandewater@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tom.vandewater@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:41 PM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [foxboro] Informix Historian vs AIM*
Richard,
We, like you, have been using the legacy historian since AP-20 days.
We had a lot of money invested in licensing for all of them. Typically we
had one per node to avoid pulling historical data across the carrierband. We
wanted to be able to use this data throughout our corporation but found it
too difficult to export from IA. As a result we initially developed a
complex but effective way of passing OM data through INI-10's to an
application built inhouse to provide process data from multiple control and
lab systems to desktops throughout the corporation.
We used the Foxboro legacy/informix historians only for short term
historical trending on the IA system. This is still effective for tracking
daily events and for tuning while on the IA system. We later adopted OSI PI
as our global historical repository for data. OSI PI has worked with almost
every vendor to establish interfaces that allow it to access data from most
systems and their "specific" focus is Process Information. The "Process
Book" desktop client interface allows users to create their own graphics,
trends, and spreadsheets, and it is trasparent to the user from which system
the info is coming from, (IA, LIMS, brand H, or brand R)! We first used
Foxboro's AIS, now API, to pass the Fox IA data out the 2nd enet ports of
AW's to PI nodes on our corporate WAN. Based on what Alex says it sounds
like we could now use AIM* OPC capability to pass the data, and that might
be more efficient, but we tried to broker an Advantage Upgrade from legacy
to AIM* with no success and couldn't justify the significant expense just to
get data out of our IA system. One has to wonder if AIM* will soon evolve
into something different because of the ARCHESTRA initiative. Will this
obsolete AIM* and require still another license?? From a DCS perspective,
passing the data to PI and the IT realm eliminates our need to display,
reduce, and archive Process INFORMATION on control systems, and lets us
focus on our real objective, Process CONTROL.
What we have found is that it is more economical to spend money on
global solutions for capturing, displaying, and analyzing process data
rather than spending money on several different vendor specific solutions,
no matter how good they may be. Having said that, if you are a smaller
operation and Foxboro is already your single source provider for all things
Process related, AIM* sounds like it would beat the pants off of the legacy
historian. If you have other process information needs outside of IA, the
money spent on AIM* might be more effectively spent on a more global
solution.
Tom VandeWater
Dow Corning Corp.
Carrollton, KY
-----Original Message-----
From: Bakke, Richard A [mailto:rabakke@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 4:35 PM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [foxboro] Informix Historian vs AIM*
Asking for opinions concerning Informix vs AIM* Historian on 50-series:
Having AP20's through 51D's, we have always been using the Informix
Historian. We use it for trending (legacy Display Manager) and for
reporting (via reduction groups). Since this Informix Historian is also
available at ver. 7 for the AW-51F we are planning to buy, is there a really
good reason to switch to the AIM* Historian? The cost to us would be
learning new software and having the custom report package interface
re-written. The only advantage to us that I know of would be that AIM
allows changes while still running.
Thanks,
Rich Bakke
Longview Fibre Co.
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