Re: [foxboro] I/A Batch Unix to I/A Batch Windows

We already have 8.4.2 with 2003 server as boothost running ICC. We haven't 
had sequence problems like described in the customer advisory, even though 
we use single quote references to strings and defines. Guess we were lucky 
this time....
nice to hear the tool works, at least something less to worry about....

Dirk 



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My apologies for the previous email. Now I know not to send attachments.
With regards to the conversion tool, IPS decided to not "officially" 
release the conversion tool, but the tool does exist, has been used in the 
past, and will convert an I/A Series Batch Unix configuration to I/A 
Series Batch Windows. Due to the number of conversion possibilities with 
the different versions and the different hardware required, it is easier 
to have the required Unix and Windows workstations staged in IPS and 
perform the conversion internally. All that is required is a backup of the 
current batch configuration directory. I would suggest working with your 
local account manager if a conversion is required. He/She can contact me 
to complete the process. The databases converted by the tool include 
model, link, TIM, material, recipe, and security.

The following table documents several conversion paths:
1. FoxBatch to IA Batch Windows - internal conversion tool available
2. IA Batch Unix to IA Batch Windows - internal conversion tool available
3. IA Batch Windows (versions prior to 8.1) to IA Batch Windows v8.1 - 
conversion tool provided with software

One other area of potential impact is possible recompiling of the sequence 
code when migrating to and above I/A Series v8.2. This is not a 
requirement from the batch software, but has an impact on batch systems 
given the heavy reliance on sequence code in a batch application. There 
was a customer advisory issued in February on this topic.

The Document B0700RW REV A "I/A Series® System V8.4.2 Release Notes and 
Installation Procedures for Windows XP and Solaris Operating Systems" 
Chapter 10.6 Integrated Control Block Software and Utilities, provides 
overviews and detailed tips on "what to expect" and "how to resolve" the 
specific issues.

Regards,
Daren Moffatt
Invensys Process Systems
daren.moffatt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Office: 717-285-9477
Mobile: 717-319-1902

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On Behalf Of Ghiglione, Alessandro
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 7:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [foxboro] I/A Batch Unix to I/A Batch Windows

Dirk,
I forgot 2 aspects:
A) we move from one redundant BS (rel.8.0) to two separate BS for 
different plant area.
It was possible as the 2 area are independent.
The redundancy in the past gave us more trouble than benefits! 
Repeated master/backup switchover were intolerable.
B) in rel.8.0 we used the same value read delta=write delta=1.0
Now in rel.8.1 , actual values are 0.001 (read delta) and 0.49 (write 
delta).
When modifying a set point (write to CP) now the behaviour is consistent 
with the delta value, while in rel.8.0 you read back the changed value 
even if below the delta, as write delta were uninfluent....
BS EnvDisplay read/write delta values are written to FoxAPI.

I hope this help.


Alessandro Ghiglione
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On Behalf Of dirk.pauwels@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: giovedì 9 luglio 2009 11.59
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Subject: Re: [foxboro] I/A Batch Unix to I/A Batch Windows

We're facing an upgrade from 8.0 on solaris to windows also, but not in 
the near future.....
Regarding the conversion tool: our invensys contacts assured us there was 
a tool available to convert the recipes, we have 400+ recipes so this is 
an important issue. Could be the tool is officially released in the 
meantime.
Right now we have some issues with the redundant version of BS 8.0 on 
solaris, one AW51(E) is updating the transition values ok, the backup AW51 

seems to use a delta of 1, which is not very useable if your transition 
statements are waiting for pressure values in BAR....

Any one have an idea where these delta's are configured? It does not seem 
to be in BS, Foxapi and backup BS settings for both stations are 
identical. 

Rgds,

Dirk


wrote:

David and all I/A Batch users,
Last february we migrated from rel.8.0 under Solaris to rel.8.1 under 
Windows.
We prepared the migration in detail, with many checkpoints as we manage 
>600 recipes, under a "large" IABatch licence.

Briefly, this is our experience:

1) ModelDB, IALinkDB and RecipeDB (still Raima based) need to be 
converted. 
A recipe conversion tool is not offered by Invensys (it is for internal 
use only): so we paid the conversion as a consultant activity.
2) If you have developed some "C" programs based on Raima ToolKit, you 
need to rewrite as new "COM" libraries are different, based on ActiveX. No 

conversion is possible. Even with NutCracker. 
3) Some tuning done on EnvDisplay parameters (and on FoxAPI too) due to 
read/write tags timing issue. 
Our case: when a recipe writes a tag (CP linked), you can read it updated 
only after 1-2s; otherwise you must insert some "wait" transitions in the 
recipe.
In december 2008 we moved from CP40(FT)/AW51E on nodebus to 
CP270Z(FT)/P90/P92 on the Mesh, leaving IABatch on a Solaris AW51E 
(Nodebus side with ATS): with this intermediate configuration, no 
read/write problems occurred.
4)IALink: it was impossible to configure a bit >9 for a CP tag, now there 
is a QF to solve it.
5)BatchDisplay: great flexibility now offered by zoomable SFC elements and 

3 recipe layers on full sizeable windows!
Jump functionality is still available and working well, but it is less 
flexible than before.
6)apart the usual care when you modify the code of a sequence in held 
state (restart it after CP checkpoint is completed), I noted that 
BatchManager crashed when operator started a new batch, where the first 
phase/sequence in the recipe was changed and CP checkpoint not yet 
finished. 
Ugly, as it required a stop/restart of the whole Runtime tasks. 
Luckily, hot restart feature works fine as in rel.8.0.

All the remaining features are kept: the feel & look is based on Windows, 
but the speed is significantly better.
We don?t have yet a development platform to play with IABatch in more 
detail; we played enough on the real platform in the second half of 2008, 
when still off-line. There are some feature we don't use as we don't know 
in deep...

Regards,

Alessandro Ghiglione
Senior Application Engineer

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