Re: [foxboro] Ethernet FBM security

Probably a just a dumb and ignorant question on my part, but is there any 
concern when the Fieldbus and Mesh share the same network?

Tom Badura
Plastics Engineering Company
920-458-2121 x3366
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From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Johnson, Alex P (IPS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:29 AM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Clifton, Doug
Subject: Re: [foxboro] Ethernet FBM security

Tim,

The FDSI is a firewall. That is, it does not pass IP packets to anything. It 
could be corrupted in an attack, but there is no IP link from the FDSI to the 
MESH network.

(MESH-IP/Ethernet)--CP270--(IEEE 1118/PIOBus)--FDSI FBM--(IP/Ethernet)--PLC

The IEEE 1118 based PIOBus runs an IPS designed HDLC based protocol that has a 
very limited instruction set. It is not capable of picking up an IP packet and 
delivering it to the CP.

There is a 'pass-thru' mechanism that allows an application on the MESH to talk 
to field device through the FDSI FBM, but that requires special coding and a 
working FDSI.

The FDSI did have some services that you might not expect to be enabled in 
early releases, but my understanding is that they have been shutdown in later 
releases. Our Global Consulting Security group would be thrilled to give you a 
hand on this. I've copied Doug Clifton on this e-mail if you want a contact - 
doug.clifton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Does this help?


Regards,
 
Alex Johnson
Invensys Process Systems
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From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Lowell, Timothy
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:50 AM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [foxboro] Ethernet FBM security

Stupid Crackberry...

We're doing a security assessment at one of our refineries that has 
FBM232/FBM233's, and the question is coming up of what ability is there of 
Ethernet packets to traverse from the PLC network through the FBM to the MESH 
network.  Obviously, the Modbus TCP and ControlLogix, etc, packets make it 
through if you install the correct device driver or it wouldn't work, but what 
about other packets that could constitute malware, DoS, etc?  Is the FBM a 
filter that definitively stops all other packets, or should we be putting a 
firewall between the PLC and the FBM?  I'd be interested to hear what everybody 
is doing or what Invensys considers is best practice.

Tim

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Behalf Of Corey R Clingo
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:44 AM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [foxboro] Ethernet FBM security

It must be good.  That encryption is inscrutable :)

Corey Clingo
BASF Corporation






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