Re: [foxboro] Convert a Foxboro P91 Server from a P91 Dell Power Edge 2800 to a new Dell Power Edge 2900

Corey,

In regards to #1. The only thing that I know that Symantec BESR does not
have is a trialware iso that will boot as a recovery cd. If I remember
correctly, their trialware will let you back up for a period of time,
but you cannot boot off a recovery cd and verify that it will restore.
That was a Symantec shortcoming I was not happy about.

I use BESR extensively for backup and restore and have not found
anything yet I could not accomplish with it in regards to backup or
restore of a windows box. 


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On Behalf Of Corey R Clingo
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Subject: Re: [foxboro] Convert a Foxboro P91 Server from a P91 Dell
Power Edge 2800 to a new Dell Power Edge 2900

In Foxboro's defense (yes, I really said that :), it would be mostly
this 
way with nearly any modern OS running on commodity PC hardware**.

The places I see it being more difficult than it has to (in this 
particular scenario) are:


1. Commercial backup software packages not providing all the
functionality 
you need, such that you have to buy two of them (Symantec/Acronis).


2. I/A software relying on MAC addresses of Ethernet cards.  Yes,
there's 
a registry hack to get around it, but hey, how about an automated tool?


3. Foxboro AIM* licensing being tied to the Windows SID.  I realize 
they're worried about piracy, but we DCS guys have enough to worry about

without being treated like criminals (which is an attitude not limited
to 
Foxboro, for sure).  At least on Suns you could swap the NVRAM chip.
One 
of those hardware dongles might even be better here (with the option to 
have a backup for $100 or so).


4. Windows (and Microsoft zombies' ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H independent software 
developers') insistence on registry usage (Microsoft's 2nd worst idea 
ever, or maybe 1st worst, depending on how bad you think spaces in 
filenames, or Bob, or Windows Mobile, or...ok, I'll get on with it).
Using 
.ini or other text configuration files makes this kind of thing MUCH 
easier.  Unix has been making that work for years.  I personally refuse
to 
use the registry for any of my own programming.  And movements like 
PortableApps.com (and similar commercial offerings) and liveCDs tell me 
that I'm not the only one tired of it.


** To completely get around this, I still think you have to use 
virtualization or something.  Get your VMware ESX or Xen running on your

new box, copy over your VM image that is your I/A installation, plug in 
dongles/enter license keys and go.


But in your defense, Fritz, I too would rather jump out of windows than 
into Windows.


Corey Clingo
BASF Corporation





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Thanks Tom, for this extensive procedure you just wrote. 

But when is the penny going to drop at FoxboroHQ(IPS), that Windoze is
not the right platform in a Process Control Environment?!?!?
Turning over the hardware every other year is just not acceptable.

Well, that's my penny worth.
Mind you a truly P&P Foxboro system sounds somewhat attractive.


Cheers,
Frits Schouten
NZSteel.







 
 
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