Re: [foxboro] Automated SaveAll & FoxCAE online upload

Tom,
Thanks for replying :-)

I called TAC and the answer is I am effectively doing a SaveAll using ICC 
driver task via FoxCAE.  FoxCAE is not dong an online upload directly from 
the CP's RAM.  Based on my understanding, you are correct,  I need to do 
an Upload CP to Workfile and then online Upload to FoxCAE if I want the 
latest parameters.

The online Upload to FoxCAE doesn't take long.  I like it because I have a 
backup database that I can use to create a LoadALL on a stand alone XP 
computer.   I can also use the backdocumentation feature to see if anyone 
has changed something that I'm not aware of.  FoxCAE has some issues, but 
overall it meets our needs.

I wanted to be sure I'm capturing an equivalent ICC generated SaveALL.   I 
was hoping FoxCAE captures the CPs RAM, figuring that would save a step, 
but this will work for me.

I still do SaveALLs and tape backups.   I do a checkpoint first, to be 
sure .UC file is current.   Then I do an Upload, Shrink, SaveALL w/format 
and then a tape backup.  I know the value of doing good  backups, it has 
saved my posterior a couple of times.

Our system is  AW51Es and WP51Ds, V6.5.1.

Take care,

Wally Magda

IE&C Spec Sr
Colorado Springs Utilities
PO Box 214
660 W. Monument Creek Rd
USAF Academy, CO   80840
719.668.9502 office
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Wally,
                 Since no one responded to your question and we don't 
actually
use FoxCAE I am only guessing, but I would hope that you are uploading
from the CP's RAM, in the same way the ICC uploads from RAM into the
ICC/IACC's workfile.  I'm confident that there are folks on the list
that know "for sure" if that is the case.  I am also interested in the
answer.  If FoxCAE only uploads from the workfile it would be a two-step
process to insure you had up-to-date info in FoxCAE:=20
*Upload CP to Workfile=20
*Upload workfile to FoxCAE

Tom VandeWater

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This brings up a question I have.  What am I uploading when I do an
upload=20
with FoxCAE 5.1 via the 2nd ethernet port?  Is it the information from
the=20
files, or the contents of the CPs RAM?
Does anyone know?

Wally Magda

IE&C Spec Sr
Colorado Springs Utilities
PO Box 214
660 W. Monument Creek Rd
USAF Academy, CO   80840
719.668.9502 office
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Alex,

Yes, that does make sense.
So if any of the <cmpd>.O, <cpLbug>.O (which I would have forgotten) or=20
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workfile (for a given control station) has a timestamp which is newer=20
compared to my latest SaveAll, I should update the SaveAll. (right ?)

Thanks !

Patrick Martens
Total Raffinaderij Nederland N.V.

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The workfile date will tell you when the workfile itself is change,
i.e.,
when a block parameter is altered - generally by an UPLOAD or a human
with
the ICC, IACC, or ICC Driver Task.

The <cmpd>.O files will tell you when blocks in a compound are added or
deleted.

The <cpLbug>.O file will tell you when compounds are added or deleted.


Does that make sense?

Regards,

Alex Johnson
Invensys Systems, Inc.
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Houston, TX 77063
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Hi,
We have automated the creation of savealls for all our control stations.
The basis for this is the Ron Deen / Marco van der Waal save_all.sh.
This scripts creates 15 incremental back-ups.

I used to compare the timestamp of the checkpoint file  (.UC) and the=20
latest
save_all to see if a save_all would be needed but as we also have the
auto
checkpoint feature enabled we end up with creating a save_all every day.

If
within that 15 days nothing has changed we will have 15 identical
save_all's.
Therefore we recently modified things and now check the timestamp of the
workfile (.wf).
However, today I noticed the save_all was not updated after deleting=20
several
blocks with ICC.
I found that the timestamp of the .wf was not changed, however the=20
timestamp
of the .O files of the compounds concerned was.

Could I be sure to cover all ICC changes by checking the timestamp of
the
latest .O file for a given CP or should check both the .wf and/or the .O
file (whichever is newer)?

Any info appreciated,

Patrick Martens
Total Raffinaderij Nederland N.V.



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