No. When items are permanently removed from the database the resulting empty space is used for storing new items. Onlly when the empty space is all used up does the database file size increase. _____ From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ara Avvali Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 11:56 AM To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: free space after offline defrag Hi Carl, Yes there is incoming traffic and I believe it is much higher that clean up especially due to attachments. But I thought this is the way it works: * Let's say for example I have a 10 GB database * Cleanup policy deletes 1 GB, so the database stays at 10 GB but will shrink down to 9 if I do offline defrag * Meanwhile if I receive new emails, database goes to 11,12,13 GB and higher still having the potential of loosing 1 GB * Doing offline defrag bring it down 1 GB as example from 13 to 12 Isn't it the way it should be? _____ From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Houseman Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 7:38 PM To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: free space after offline defrag If you purged deleted items worth 500 MB/week for 4 weeks and never received any new mail at all, then you should get back 2GB of real space for an offline defrag. Seems likely/possible though, that you are receiving new items, and probably more volume in new items than in the old items being deleted/purged. This would be the case with most organizations. Carl _____ From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ara Avvali Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:26 PM To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ExchangeList] free space after offline defrag Hello everyone I just have this strange feeling. We got a 2003 SP2 server. I have a mail box manager policy that cleans up junk mail and deleted items after a week. Every Sunday night I get a report that at least 500 MB is deleted. So when I do the offline defrag once a month at least I should get 2 GB of free space back from database. But that doesn't happen. As an example I ran a defrag last night after 2 month wait and I only got 120 megabyte back. Something is not right and my database keeps growing larger. Any idea? Thanks