Directed at John Tolmachoff. Hi John, I agree with your statements, but as a newbee! myself I have tried reading the books and find it very hard to absorb the info thereby contained. Probably due to a lack of formal training. But over time you will hear more and more from me because my interest is very genuine and if I can eventually help other newbee's! by experience then I shall be very pleased with my learning curve. I again reiterate my grateful thanks for the help received from this group(exchange list/isa list) members whether formally qualified or qualified by experience. My personal skills have been greatly enhanced and I earn a living on the back of this fact albeit as a newbee!. One day I will attain full qualification by experience counts for everything in my book, will probably take a long time though (I am determined). Professionals are made from amateurs, and amateurs become professionals with help from the likes of this group. Keep up the good work, (just had to say all that). Best regards, Rick Parsons -----Original Message----- From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 07 April 2003 14:38 To: [ExchangeList] Subject: [exchangelist] Re: exchange list Re: Help please http://www.MSExchange.org/ > I understand a person asking of help should not be taken for a "ride". I > hope others would see the futility of Mr. Stephen's mailing style and > condone such activity as I have done so. The person was not asking for help. He was asking for information on where to find resources on a subject he knows nothing of. Any professional should know where to find basic resources. Again, we are talking about basics, not problem solving or features. As he is a member of this list, he must know about MSExchange.org. By nature of the list, it is for helping people with issues and such, not for basic questions such as where can I find information about Exchange. Furthermore, there seems to be a proliferation of newbie's asking basic questions on a list without first doing any research. (Not just this one, on many.) While this in itself is not an issue, it indicates a lack of professionalism in that the person has not done some basic research, instead turning directly to a list to ask questions. Example, I have seen the same question basic question being asked over and over on the ISA list. This information is 1. Readily available in the archives, 2. Readily available on ISAserver.org, 3. Readily available on www.microsoft.com. > Pardon me Mr. Stephen, I felt that the tone of your message was a bit > rude for reply to a newbie. I respectfully disagree with your opinion Mr. Srivas. John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA Owner, Network Engineer/Consultant eServices For You City of Industry, CA www.eservicesforyou.com Free Anti-Spam Download: Try Multi-layered, Accurate Spam Filtering with SurfControl E-mail Filter http://www.surfcontrol.com/go/zmsexdl1 ------------------------------------------------------ List Archives: http://www.webelists.com/cgi/lyris.pl?enter=exchangelist Exchange Newsletters: http://www.msexchange.org/pages/newsletter.asp Exchange FAQ: http://www.msexchange.org/pages/larticle.asp?type=FAQ ------------------------------------------------------ ISA Server Resource Site: http://www.isaserver.org Windows Security Resource Site: http://www.windowsecurity.com/ Windows 2000/NT Fax Solutions: http://www.ntfaxfaq.com ------------------------------------------------------ You are currently subscribed to this MSExchange.org Discussion List as: rick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub')