Re: Scheduling NTBackup to mapped drive

  • From: "Mark Fugatt" <mark@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "'[ExchangeList]'" <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 23:36:26 -0400

I am finding it really hard to understand how "locking" a machine is more
secure that logging out of it, if you lock it then I can see who locked it,
so you have now given me half the logon information, all I need to figure
out is the password, if you log out of the server and have it configured to
not show the last username then it is more secure, no if's or but's

Too be 100% sure here, the definition of "locked" we are discussing is
CTRL+ALT+DELETE, "Lock Computer", not physically locking the door to the
server room. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:PMAGLINGER@xxxxxxxx] 
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Our objectives say "lock".

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy David [mailto:adavid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:18 PM
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Vs. logging out of them? Or lock them vs. leaving them wide open?
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:PMAGLINGER@xxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:15 PM
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Some of you obviously haven't been hit with Sarbane-Oxley.  Read the
objectives, you'll lock your servers AND your workstations (and that's just
the start of it).



-----Original Message-----
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I only wish that was true. If you're the admin, then you must lock it. I
mean, what admin doesn't log onto the servers the administer??? If I find an
admin not ever logging onto a server, then why have I hired them?? 

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References aside, security has to be balanced with practicality. In a large
organization, it would be ridiculous to require locking servers for anything
other than temporary period of time. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:michael@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:41 PM
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Please provide references to "always lock a server..." Microsoft references
would be great. FIPS references would be good too.

Thanks,
Michael

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:38 PM
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I hate to disagree with you, but I couldn't disagree more. In fact, the
Federal Government couldn't disagree with you more. 

Security is the top reason. Always lock a server so it can't be logged into
in case it's compromised. 

I have to beg to differ with you on John. I go back a long ways on this list
and John has made so many wrong statements, etc., especially to newbie's,
that it speaks for itself. 

However, I realize as with all techs, there are varied opinions. I just have
had a rough time over the years with "consultants." I've known many, too
many. Only 1 or 2 knew their salt, (including you.) 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Fugatt [mailto:mark@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 10:08 PM
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Thank you for the kind words Jared, however I have met and communicated with
many great consultants in my time, John being one of them.

My advise to everyone is to logout of your servers, the only time I lock a
server is if I am working on it and need to step away for a minute, why did
the auditors chew you a new hole for logging out of the server?

Mark

-----Original Message-----
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John, you've confused a workstation with a server. Darn consultants.
I've
never met a knowledgeable consultant!! (Except Mark of course, but that's
rare.)



-----Original Message-----
From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:15 PM
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> You ALWAYS logout, or lock the machine. Period. MS employees have had 
> that drilled into their head for years. I know, I used to work there.
> When leaving a workstation or server, LOCK THE DESKTOP.

True, absolutely. When leaving a computer for a short period of time, lock.
The question is whether to leave locked always, or when leaving for an
extended period of time, log off.

John Tolmachoff
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