RE: Possible OT: RE: Newbie using Exchange[Scanned]

  • From: "Simon Bound" <simon.bound@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "[ExchangeList]" <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:28:27 -0000

As the one who posted after the initial message by John T,  I feel it's 
probably time for us to close the debate. I believe that enough of us have 
aired our views sufficiently to now move forward positively and use the forum 
for it's intended purpose. The replies were in the main constructive and I was 
pleased that you John finally replied constructively - I was afraid we'd "lost" 
you which would have been a shame as I believe you and Mark are probably the 
main technical input to this forum at the moment. Yes I am also sorry for your 
personal situation and likewise wish you and your family well. Strangely, on 
the day of my post I also was involved (ongoing) with a family problem. What 
goes around comes around !!

Simon


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Fugatt [mailto:mark@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 3:43 AM
To: [ExchangeList]
Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Possible OT: RE: Newbie using
Exchange[Scanned]


http://www.MSExchange.org/

Could not have said it better myself.

My thoughts are with you and your family John, if you need anything just
shout were all family here as well.

Mark Fugatt
MCSE, MCT, Microsoft Exchange MVP
Pentech Office Solutions Inc
Rochester, NY
Tel: 585 576 4750
http://www.4mcts.com
-----Original Message-----
From: IT Consultant [mailto:mcummings@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:01 PM
To: [ExchangeList]
Subject: [exchangelist] Possible OT: RE: Newbie using Exchange[Scanned]

http://www.MSExchange.org/

I'm really sorry to hear that you're dealing with some personal problems and
hope that I or anyone else here didn't add to an already frustrating
situation for you. Hopefully things will work out for you and your family
and the comments here will only be seen as a slight blur to the more
important things you have to deal with. Regardless of what's said we're all
still human and we have feelings so my blessings go out to you and yours.

I also want to say that I honestly appreciate your assistance and knowledge
in this area and feel I would benefit from any correspondence you may put
together on dealing with exchange. I know my main problems stem from post
installation and configuration on home networks with dsl and dynamic dns. I
try to document my configurations but somehow they all seem to end with
different results. So any knowledge you can share on those areas would solve
a lot of problems that I and probably some of the other newbies encounter. 

I also don't agree with the lazy comment but to each his/her own.
.03 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 12:37 PM
To: [ExchangeList]
Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Newbie using Exchange[Scanned]

http://www.MSExchange.org/

After reading all the various comments regarding my response, I feel it
necessary to explain:

1. During the last 1 1/2 months our family has been dealing with a medical
emergency that concluded Monday with undesired results. As such, I have been
on edge. Because of that, my response came across harsh and I apologize for
that.

2. When talking about Exchange, (or any e-mail server,) there are 3 areas of
focus: Client communications, the server itself and communications with the
Internet. (Yes, they often blend together.) My response was focused on
communications with the Internet.

3. Yes, we all started somewhere, as I did. However, as we were all taught
in school, (I hope,) it is much better to search for the answer than to have
it given to you, for if it just given to you, tomorrow you will not remember
it. But if you put in the effort to search for it, it is knowledge you will
keep.

4. There is a fine line but distinct difference between asking for help and
asking what or how to do. This list is to help each other.

5. I am not an Exchange expert. I am on this list to further my Exchange
knowledge and problem solving on clients servers. If, during that, I can
offer assistance to others in my areas of knowledge, I will.

6. I am heavily involved in e-mail administration through a total of 8
e-mail servers, only 2 of which are Exchange. This includes 3 regional ISP
mail servers. Both of those Exchange servers are fronted by other e-mail
servers acting as gateways. 

7. I am heavily involved on the war on spam.

8. One of the most frustrating problems in the war on spam is problem
senders who because of various misconfigurations, non-RFC compliance,
blatant disregard for standards, and lack of understanding or care, cause
legitimate messages to be tagged and/or held and/or deleted. This causes us
to either whitelist (undesired because of domino effect) the sender or
decrease the effectiveness of certain filters and tests. If everyone played
by the rules, it would make the war of spam easier to identify spam.

9. There are more and more companies and individuals who acquire Exchange
(or any other e-mail servers) with the intent on having their own e-mail
server and e-mail with out little or no knowledge of what it actually takes
to operate an e-mail server on the Internet. This leads to problems down the
road, which they then turn to sources like this list in search of quick
fixes when research before hand would have prevented or lessened the
problem.

10. As an Exchange community service, I am going to be putting together a
list of sorts for persons/entities interested in operating an e-mail server
of things they need to be aware of and research on. This may take some time
as I am severely back logged on work right now.


John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You



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