RE: Exchange brick level backup - anyone?

  • From: "Brian K. Watson" <Brian.K.Watson@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: "'[ExchangeList]'" <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:30:03 -0700

Another 2 cents

Do you really think that Linux would remain so inexpensive if popularity of
the product grew to a Microsoft level? Yes Linux is a great operating system
and it is inexpensive. I believe it remains that way because only techies
like to use and configure it. 

Brian K. Watson
Sr. Systems Administrator
www.qcsi.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Van Singel [mailto:svansingel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 6:54 AM
To: [ExchangeList]
Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange brick level backup - anyone?

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I disagree about the gainfully employed. If we could embrace the Linux world
and get companies to develop software for Linux, then companies (especially
public schools) could actually afford to have the proper amount of staff to
support the systems and network. Instead, we have to forks thousands of
dollars to M$ for licenses. Yes, Schools get a nice discount on MS products
however, Schools do not have to budget to run a network and staff the
department to keep it up. 
I am the director, Network administrator, and systems guy for a public
school with 3500 students, 450 staff and faculty,1100 workstations. I have
only 2 techs that work for me and they only understand the workstation part.

SO, bottom line. Microsoft strings many of along for a ride and makes the
end users pay through the nose for it. 

Sorry about my 2 cents worth. 

Scott Van Singel (MCP)
Technology Director
Sturgis Public School
216 Vinewood Ave
Sturgis Mi, 49091
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Phone: (269) 659-1512

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Hartley [mailto:shartley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 7:55 PM
To: [ExchangeList]
Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange brick level backup - anyone?

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I think that was a very unkind comment to be made about Bill. After all,
if it wasn't for Bill & Microsoft, where would you be living or what
sort of car would you be driving? 
I think that we should all thank Microsoft for keeping us gainfully
employed (even though it is sending most of us prematurely grey!)

Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dufoe [mailto:dufoem@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:56 AM
To: [ExchangeList]
Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange brick level backup - anyone?

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I agree with your comment Stephen.  
"it would also be nice to know why Microsoft can't release a stable
operating
system or why ArcServe doesn't work properly "out of the box".

About Microsoft, I was just at their Knowledge website, and when I went
to
use the pull down menu to select a Product, it was blank, like Bill
Gates
mind is sometimes.



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Hartley [mailto:shartley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 7:02 PM
To: [ExchangeList]
Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange brick level backup - anyone?


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Denise, just looking at your logs it was obvious that some process was
slowing your data transfer rate (from 53 to 14 - that is a big drop!).
Whenever I see something like this on a Microsoft server, I know that we
are in for a big fall, so I reboot the server ASAP! 
Yes it would be nice to know what causes these problems, but it would
also be nice to know why Microsoft can't release a stable operating
system or why ArcServe doesn't work properly "out of the box". Sometimes
it is just easier to "shoot the messenger!"
I have two SBS2000 sites where clients are claiming speed issues.
STORE.EXE is consuming in excess of 650Mb RAM - that is ridiculous, so
until I find a fix, these two servers get automatically rebooted (via
APC UPS) at 4am each morning.

Stephen Hartley
NetAbility
Brisbane, Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: Denise Dorrance [mailto:denisedorrance@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 2:56 AM
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Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange brick level backup - anyone?

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Thanks Kim!!  I'll look through the logs and try repackaging the job
itself. 
  I stopped and restarted the rpc service on the exchange server last
night 
and the job ran ok.  Don't know if it was that or the job just decided
to 
run ok??

Denise


>From: "Kim Vandegrift" <kim.vandegrift@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: "[ExchangeList]" <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: "[ExchangeList]" <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange brick level backup - anyone?
>Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:36:04 -0500
>
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>
>I've been racking my brain to try to remember how we corrected the
problem. 
>We had the same issue when we were running 5.5 and upgraded our Arc
Serve 
>to 2000. All seemed fine and the backups completed successfully but
every 
>day the backup time grew and grew even though the amount of data being 
>backed up stayed relatively the same.
>
>Look at your Arc Serve logs, do you get any warnings that basically are

>looking for a file not found? In my case I was backing up other servers
as 
>well as Exchange and sometimes I will get these warnings and I have to 
>modify and repackage the job. It seems that we had files that were
deleted 
>but for some reason Arc Serve spent a lot of time spinning it's wheels
not 
>realizing the file was deleted.
>
>Also we've had a problem where the Arc Serve database gets so large it 
>chews up most of the space on the C drive and we have to replace it
with an 
>empty database we got from tech support. This is the database that
keeps 
>track of all of the sessions and if you go to restore from tape allows
you 
>to browse the contents of the tape sessions without actually reading
from 
>the tape. After we have replaced a database, if we want to restore 
>something from a tape we have to do a tape merge so Arc Serve will get
a 
>list of what is on each session of the tape.
>
>I will see if I kept any of the papers from when we had this problem.
I've 
>already gone through old emails and my brain and can't remember the 
>solution (if there was one) Basically what we did was upgrade our Arc
Serve 
>prior to an upgrade of Exchange to 2000. I think that once we went to 
>Exchange 2000 the problem stopped.
>
>Kim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Denise Dorrance [mailto:denisedorrance@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:25 AM
>To: [ExchangeList]
>Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange brick level backup - anyone?
>
>
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>
>I'm running Exchange 5.5 sp4.
>
>
> >From: "Kim Vandegrift" <kim.vandegrift@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: "[ExchangeList]" <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: "[ExchangeList]" <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange brick level backup - anyone?
> >Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 10:48:57 -0500
> >
> >http://www.MSExchange.org/
> >
> >I had a similar problem. Are you running Exchange 5.5 or 2000?
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Denise Dorrance [mailto:denisedorrance@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:17 AM
> >To: [ExchangeList]
> >Subject: [exchangelist] Exchange brick level backup - anyone?
> >
> >
> >http://www.MSExchange.org/
> >
> >I'm using Arcserve 2000.  I've noticed the backup running
significantly
> >longer in the past three weeks then started looking over the logs.
Below
> >are the results of the backup today and two months ago??
> >
> >This is from today:
> >Total Databases............... 73
> >Total Skips................... 0
> >Total Size (Disk)............. 273 KB
> >Total Size (DB)............... 4,803.04 MB
> >Total Size (Media)............ 4,808.31 MB
> >Elapsed Time.................. 5h 33m 41s
> >Average Throughput............ 14.40 MB/min
> >
> >Totals For.................... Job
> >Total Sessions................ 1
> >Total Databases............... 73
> >Total Skips................... 0
> >Total Size (Disk)............. 273 KB
> >Total Size (DB)............... 4,803.04 MB
> >Total Size (Media)............ 4,808.31 MB
> >Elapsed Time.................. 5h 33m 41s
> >Average Throughput............ 14.40 MB/min
> >
> >Backup Operation Successful.
> >
> >This is from three weeks ago:
> >
> >
> >Total Databases............... 72
> >Total Skips................... 0
> >Total Size (Disk)............. 262 KB
> >Total Size (DB)............... 4,741.61 MB
> >Total Size (Media)............ 4,746.68 MB
> >Elapsed Time.................. 1h 20m 24s
> >Average Throughput............ 59.03 MB/min
> >
> >Totals For.................... Job
> >Total Sessions................ 1
> >Total Databases............... 72
> >Total Skips................... 0
> >Total Size (Disk)............. 262 KB
> >Total Size (DB)............... 4,741.61 MB
> >Total Size (Media)............ 4,746.68 MB
> >Elapsed Time.................. 1h 20m 24s
> >Average Throughput............ 59.03 MB/min
> >
> >Backup Operation Successful.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >From: Chris Cerer <ccerer@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: "[ExchangeList]" <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: "[ExchangeList]" <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange brick level backup
> >Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 13:04:22 -0600
> >
> >http://www.MSExchange.org/
> >
> >What are you using for backup software?
> >
> >----Original Message-----
> >From: Denise Dorrance [mailto:denisedorrance@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 12:57 PM
> >To: [ExchangeList]
> >Subject: [exchangelist] Exchange brick level backup
> >
> >Hi All -
> >
> >I'm running into issues with my brick level backup.  About a month
> >or so ago
> >
> >it was taking about an hour and twenty minutes to backup my
> >Exchange server and now it's taking about 5 hours and thirty three 
>minutes.
> >Has anyone heard of this??
> >
> >TIA
> >D
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