[ExchangeList] Re: Exchange and virtualization
- From: "Kamuni, Prabhakar" <Prabhakar.Kamuni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:22:30 -0000
Microsoft support policy has always favored there own virtualization product
(Windows Server 2008, Microsoft Virtual PC, and Microsoft Virtual Server). They
will make a reasonable effort to resolve problems in a Vmware environment and
may request you duplicate the problem in a physical environment if needed.
Microsoft is trying to restrict customers' flexibility and freedom to choose
virtualization software by limiting who can run their software and how they can
run it. Microsoft is leveraging its ownership of the market leading operating
system and numerous applications that are market leaders in their respective
categories (Exchange, SQL Server, and Active Directory) to drive customers to
use Microsoft virtualization products. Their tactics are focused on software
licensing and distribution terms (for SQL Server, Exchange, Windows Server, and
Vista) and through the APIs and formats for virtualized Windows.
In particular, Microsoft does not have key virtual infrastructure capabilities
(like VMotion), and they are making those either illegal or expensive for
customers; Microsoft doesn't have virtual desktop offerings, so they are
denying it to customers; and Microsoft is moving to control this new layer that
sits on the hardware by forcing their specifications and APIs on the industry.
Included below in this document are explanations with supporting details of
some of these specific areas.
Virtualization opens up new enabling models for IT customers and technology
vendors. To fully achieve this vision, the industry must ensure fundamental
market choice and ecosystem interoperability. Microsoft operating systems and
applications are both market dominant and they deliver value to customers.
However, customers and vendors require freedom of choice to implement and
deliver applications and operating systems from any vendor with any chosen
virtual hardware platform. Microsoft is not acting in customers' best interests
when they attempt to force an integrated virtual hardware/operating
system/application stack for their operating system and applications. Customers
require an "any to any" interoperability model where Microsoft application
stacks can run freely with licensing, open APIs, and support equivalence on
non-Microsoft virtual hardware to Microsoft's own virtualization technologies.
Vmware Says peace of mind you can host Exchange on ESX-Vmware
Support policy for Microsoft software running in non-Microsoft hardware
virtualization software
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/897615
Vmware Says peace of mind you can host Exchange on ESX-Vmware
http://www.vmware.com/solutions/business-critical-apps/exchange/
Vmware says you can run SQL
http://www.vmware.com/solutions/business-critical-apps/sql/
http://www.vmware.com/company/news/releases/svvp.html
Please check the below for Microsoft Virtualization Licensing and Distribution
Terms
http://www.vmware.com/solutions/whitepapers/msoft_licensing_wp.html
Thanks and Regards
PRABHAKAR KAMUNI | ECG- De Beers Project | Tech Lead
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[mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:28 PM
To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Exchange and virtualization
Thanks Prabhakar,
Just out of curiosity, I see from your post that you migrated from physical to
virtual sql. Any issues? Like I said we going to be running this app that uses
sql for about 7000 users. Seen any issues yet?
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From: "Kamuni, Prabhakar" <Prabhakar.Kamuni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:03:22 PM
Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Exchange and virtualization
Patrick,
Even I was in confusion when I implemented few clusters on Physical as well in
Vmware/ESX
Please check the below link (Which I raised with Microsoft forum)
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/exchangesvrmigration/thread/f623ef7e-261f-44f3-ab20-398ee7bac4b9/
Thanks and Regards
PRABHAKAR KAMUNI | ECG- De Beers Project | Tech Lead
Unisys Global Services India | 135/1 Residency Road | Bangalore | Business
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[mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 PM
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Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Exchange and virtualization
Well, that is the key thing though, if MS do not support the implementation,
then you leave youself exposed
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From: " Kamuni, Prabhakar " <Prabhakar.Kamuni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 2:17:05 PM
Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Exchange and virtualization
As per my understanding MS will not support Exchange on Vmware/ESX which ever
version :-)
But I think when MS release HYPER-V they will support Exchange on
virtualization.
Cheers!!!
Prabhu
Thanks and Regards
PRABHAKAR KAMUNI | ECG- De Beers Project | Tech Lead
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[mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Wall
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:33 PM
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Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Exchange and virtualization
Just an FYI - Microsoft does support Exchange 2007 virtualization on all
server roles except for the Unified Communications role.
See the following links for exact information:
http://blogs.technet.com/ucedsg/archive/2008/11/12/exchange-server-2007-sp1-now-supported-on-vmware.aspx
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc794548.aspx
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[mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kamuni, Prabhakar
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:41 AM
To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Exchange and virtualization
Patrick,
There is no direct answer with me but let me tell you my view
Are you going with MSCS?
How many users? You have? Based on this answer I can explain you.
If it is a small amount of users and you are not having MSCS, without thinking
any you can go-ahead and install your exchange in Vmware.
If you have 1000ʼs of users and if youʼre planning to go with MSCS personally I
suggest you to go with Physical boxes.
Even if you have Exchange 2007 for - HUB, CAS, UM, Edge you can go with VM
servers, but for mailbox cluster nodes in Exchange 2007 also I suggest to go
with Physical servers.
Thanks and Regards
PRABHAKAR KAMUNI | ECG- De Beers Project | Tech Lead
Unisys Global Services India | 135/1 Residency Road | Bangalore |
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[mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:00 PM
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Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Exchange and virtualization
Thanks. So it would be recommended to install both on physical boxes? I have
seen the document on MS not supporting VMware
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From: " Kamuni, Prabhakar " <Prabhakar.Kamuni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:15:24 PM
Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Exchange and virtualization
Patrick,
There is no harm running Exchange in ESX/Vmware environment
Only thing since it is high I/O operations application Microsoft will not
suggest to Install SQl/Exchange in Vmware Environment.
Note: If you have any problem with Exchange, Microsoft PSS will not support you
:-)
Thanks and Regards
PRABHAKAR KAMUNI | ECG- De Beers Project | Tech Lead
Unisys Global Services India | 135/1 Residency Road | Bangalore |
Business Phone +91 4159 4828|Net 759 4828
Mobile: 0091-9945333367
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[mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Patrick
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:12 PM
To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ExchangeList] Exchange and virtualization
Hi Guys,
We have an exchange 2003 server in a VMware environment. I am sure I have read
somewhere that it is not adviceable to run either Exchange or Sql on VM's.
Anyone got any documentaion / whitepaper to back that up, or have I got it
wrong.
Thanks
Patrick
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