RE: Exchange Archiving solution
- From: <ChongJa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 13:57:57 -0500
No native solution. I had gone through this scenario with MS a while
ago. We had users archiving to .pst to network. We stopped this after MS
told us it was not recommended and a friend of mine told us he did
experienced a large scale corruption in which hundreds of users .pst got
corrupt during some network outage and spent the weekend recovering them
from backup. Of course these are rare incidents. Once we stopped this,
what we did was manually archiving users mailbox when they reached their
limit to DVDs which was a pain. But then you had users who still used
.psts over the network and add to to their .pst file that was given to
them all that so it was far from manageable. Then we got emcxtender.
________________________________
From: Dave stevens [mailto:london31uk@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:57 AM
To: [ExchangeList]
Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange Archiving solution
http://www.MSExchange.org/
Well said Evan,
The problem is bringing uniformity to the whole process. I have users
archiving stuff on local drives "which dont get backed up", and in some
cases they might have pst files on different pc, loosing track. Just
like you suggested a proper archive solution would be desired, but what
happens when that fills up as well.
I would have thought by now Microsoft would have come up with a proper
archiving solution integrated into Exchange on SQL. Again Pst files do
get corrupt from time to time, and I have seen cases were the inbox
repair tool does not work, and the user looked at me as if I had done
something wrong. Well this was pre outlook 2003 and he had just tipped
the 2gb limit. Well is was sorry and toff.
Dave
Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Her, but that doesn't really matter. There has been no
observable
network impact. The server has teamed GigE cards into a Gig
ports, and
it's strictly file storage to begin with.
The more important thing is "what happens if it corrupts". Well,
I've
had PST's corrupt, and the PST repair tool has saved them every
time.
It takes F-O-R-E-V-E-R, but it works, and it's typically been
minimal
loss. That minimal loss could be the most important mail in the
PST,
but that's the risk the users take. Most of these people with
huge
PST"s simply don't need them. They like to pack-rat with their
large
e-mail attachments, when all they really need is the body. The
larger
the PST, the larger the risk, and the slower and less likely
recovery.
We've tried countless times to educate users to save attachments
to the
network and then remove from the body, but no one listens.
I'd also rather have a PST on the network where it's backed up
nightly,
then on a local machine where it is not. Users are advised to
shut down
computers nightly, so there is generally (not always) any form
of an
open file access issue. Plus our backup agents support open
files.
And yes, we have a REAL archival solution (from CommVault) with
about 2
1/2 TB's allocated for it currently, but you'd be surprise how
fast you
can fill that space if you are not careful, and because of that,
there
is still a need for some alternate methods of archiving.
________________________________
From: John T (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:04 AM
To: [ExchangeList]
Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange Archiving solution
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And I would like to see the load on that NIC and number of bytes
sent
and received on the server just for him!
John T
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-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Mann [mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 7:20 PM
To: [ExchangeList]
Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange Archiving solution
http://www.MSExchange.org/
That doesn't mean they don't work fine on networks. I've got one
user
with a 8gig PST (2003 format of course) running on a mapped
network
drive and it's never corrupted. It gets heavy daily access to.
-----Original Message-----
From: John T (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 2:12 PM
To: [ExchangeList]
Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange Archiving solution
http://www.MSExchange.org/
But the problem is a archive.pst file is still a pst file. PST
files are not support, designed or recommend to be on network
drives.
John T
eServices For You
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc A. Mapplebeck [mailto:MMapplebeck@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:25 AM
To: [ExchangeList]
Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange Archiving solution
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Not necessarily, I have mine setup to archive to a PST on a
network drive, just use the ORK and create a maintenance file
and run it
on target machines. - Marc
________________________________
From: John T (Lists)
[mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: January 25, 2006 13:09
To: [ExchangeList]
Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange Archiving solution
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But that method would still force the archive pst to be on the
local machine.
By using a script with exmerge, the archiving process is on the
server outside of the realm of user intervention or
interruption.
John T
eServices For You
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc A. Mapplebeck [mailto:MMapplebeck@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:32 AM
To: [ExchangeList]
Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange Archiving solution
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If all your users are using Outlook, you may be interested in
the free solution. Download the Office administration pack and
use the
GPO settings to force AutoArchive on users, the only catch is
you would
have to assign the archive path somehow, this could be as easy
as using
the CMW which is also included with this pack. I use this to
enforce
retention policies and archive settings, works great.
Hope this helps - Marc
________________________________
From: Dave stevens [mailto:london31uk@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: January 25, 2006 06:01
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Subject: [exchangelist] Exchange Archiving solution
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Hi Guys,
Can anyone recommend an archiving solution, that can help manage
pst file. We are hoping for something not too expensive. We have
had a
look at the like of Zantaz, Enterprise Vault, and Email Xtender.
These
are all expensive options. GFI MailArchiver does not do the job
the way
we want.
Any Ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Dave
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