[ExchangeList] Re: Change private IP on a cluster- In DNS, multiple computers can be named with the same name

  • From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 06:20:02 -0700

http://www.msexchange.org
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I understand that.
What I'm telling you is that this information is, at best, incorrect.
The fact that a MOC was built on that premise only makes the
mis-information that much worse...

-----Original Message-----
From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jose Medeiros
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:02 AM
To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ExchangeList] Change private IP on a cluster- In DNS, multiple
computers can be named with the same name

http://www.msexchange.org
-------------------------------------------------------Hi Jim,

I am only repeating what I was told when Mike Nash, Paco Cruz and Steven

Ashby from Microsoft's Technet group flew down and met with the board of
my 
user group, the NTEA of which I was the Vice President and Postmaster 
www.ntea.net. We used an Imail list server and Fatbrain hosted the
meeting 
shortly after they were acquired by Barnes and Noble . During that visit
the 
team mentioned then that all the content posted to the Technet web site
and 
on the technet CD's were maintained by a small group, of course this was
in 
late 2000 and Mike Nash has since moved into the security role, and
things 
may have changed.

I worked for Cisco, IBM, LSI Logic and I can't tell you everything their

products do. Of course I realize that you are an Exchange & ISA expert,
but 
how many Production Clusters have you built in a large Enterprise such
as 
Microsoft?

Let me go back to my MOC on Clustering to verify the netbios
recommendation 
in the course ware, it's been several years.

Peace,

Jose

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 6:17 AM
Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Change private IP on a cluster- In DNS,
multiple 
computers can be named with the same name


> http://www.msexchange.org
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> Actually, "..only 5 or 6 people.." is untrue.
> Every CSS engineer has the tools available to them to write KBs.
> Additionally, every product team member has access to these as well
and
> all of them are strongly encouraged to make their knowledge public
> through KBs, whitepapers, TechNet, etc., etc.
>
> It's the same argument.
> Name collisions cannot occur if:
> 1. WINS doesn't exist or is built properly (replication, etc.)
> 2. DNS structure is built properly
>
> BTW; I'm "from Microsoft"...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jose Medeiros
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:28 AM
> To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: Medeiros, Jose; douggg@xxxxxxxxxxx; president@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Change private IP on a cluster- In DNS,
> multiple computers can be named with the same name
>
> http://www.msexchange.org
> -------------------------------------------------------Hi Jim,
>
> I agree with you and I do find technet article's that are unclear and
> are
> missing steps, however much of it is,  that Microsoft has only 5 or 6
> people
> creating that content and probably do not always test  ( Or have very
> limited testing ) what they are listing.
>
> However,  this section below makes a lot a sense. If you have a very
> flat
> domain, you probably would not have an issue. But if you have a large
> World
> Wide enterprise such as Microsoft, Cisco, Intel, Ford Motor Comany,
GM,
> etc,
> with a very complex network and many DNS sub domains and childs, this
> may
> be an issue.
>
> ( Please read this sections )
> " Name collisions cannot occur when you use WINS. In a WINS
environment,
>
> only one computer can be named SERVERA. In DNS, multiple computers can
> be
> named SERVERA. For example, one computer may be named
> SERVERA.EUROPE.DOMAIN.COM and another computer may be named
> SERVERA.AMERICA.DOMAIN.COM. If a user who is located in the AMERICA
> domain
> types \\SERVERA, they connect to SERVERA in the AMERICA domain. If a
> user
> who is located in the AMERICA domain wants to connect to SERVERA in
the
> EUROPE domain, that user must specify the fully qualified domain name
> (FQDN)
> SERVERA.EUROPE.DOMAIN.COM. Some programs may only permit entries with
a
> maximum of 15 characters for NetBIOS names. These programs may still
> work if
> a mechanism exists to avoid duplicate host names and if the DNS suffix
> list
> of domains is provided to all clients."
>
> Any one from Microsoft care to comment on this?
>
> Jose :-)
>
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> --------------------------
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:56 AM
> Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Change private IP on a cluster-
Reply-Reply
>
>
>> http://www.msexchange.org
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Some articles are written with good intent, but bad information.
>> I spend about 10% of my time getting those corrected.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jose Medeiros
>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:13 PM
>> To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ExchangeList] Change private IP on a cluster- Reply-Reply
>>
>> http://www.msexchange.org
>> -------------------------------------------------------Hi Jim,
>>
>> Are you sure that holds true on a clustered Exchange 2000 server?  I
>> recall
>> from my Microsoft 2000 server clustering class at Quickstart
>> Intelligence
>> back in 2001,
>>
>
http://www.quickstart.com/courses/course.asp?cat=Windows&type=88&course=
>> 2087
>> that the instructor stated that both Exchange 2000 and SQL 2000
>> clustered
>> was dependent on NETBIOS. Was this changed in a later service pack?
> Why
>> would Microsoft create this article dated:Article ID : 837391
>>      Last Review : March 30, 2006
>>      Revision : 4.0
>>
>>
>> Jose :-)
>>
>>
>
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>> -----
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:01 PM
>> Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Change private IP on a cluster- Reply
>>
>>
>>> http://www.msexchange.org
>>> -------------------------------------------------------Neither one
> had
>>
>>> this dependency.
>>> Exch 2000 runs only on Win2K and Win2K3.
>>> Both of these OS prefer DNS to WINS for name resolution and if your
>>> network structure provides good DNS services, WINS is a non-issue
for
>>> Exchange 2K+.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jose
Medeiros
>>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:56 PM
>>> To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ExchangeList] Change private IP on a cluster- Reply
>>>
>>> http://www.msexchange.org
>>> -------------------------------------------------------Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> Looks like your post never made it to the Active Dir list. If I
> recall
>>> Exchange 2000 clustered still had dependencies on Wins, and I was
> told
>>> at a
>>> Microsoft Technet event that Exchange 2003 clustered no longer had
>> this
>>> requirement, until I saw the  Microsoft article that I pointed out
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;837391 .
>>>
>>> Jose
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Jim Harrison" <Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Cc: <mike.newell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 6:17 AM
>>> Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Change private IP on a cluster
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://www.msexchange.org
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------837391 is
>>> getting
>>>> changed.
>>>> I'm putting in the technical update today.
>>>>
>>>> It's wrong
>>>> Wrong, wrong, wrong.
>>>> Wrgonggitty-wrong-wrong Wrong!
>>>>
>>>> WINS is *NOT* required for Exch functionality, but proper name
>>>> resolution support in the network *IS* required.  If you've built
>> your
>>>> network, name services & clients properly, using a "simple" name
> gets
>>>> you the same response as using FQDN in a "ping" command.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jose
> Medeiros
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:29 PM
>>>> To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Cc: mike.newell@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [ExchangeList] Change private IP on a cluster
>>>>
>>>> http://www.msexchange.org
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------Hi Mike,
>>>>
>>>> Looks like you are going to also have dependencies on Wins and with
>>> the
>>>> MSDTC:
>>>>
>>>> Exchange Server 2003 and Exchange 2000 Server require NetBIOS name
>>>> resolution for full functionality
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;837391
>>>>
>>>> How to configure Microsoft Distributed Transaction Coordinator on a
>>>> Windows
>>>> Server 2003 cluster
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;301600
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Jose :-)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: Jose Medeiros
>>>> To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Cc: mike.newell@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:53 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Change private IP on a cluster
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>
>>>> I've only had to change a SQL 2000 Active / Active Cluster IP and
it
>>>> involves some additional steps for SQL Virtual Names. It's been
over
>> 5
>>>> years
>>>> since I built an Exchange 2000 cluster, but I do not recall if
>>> Exchange
>>>> has
>>>> any dependencies (I would probably post this to the Exchange list
> and
>>> I
>>>> am
>>>> cc'ing them as well)
>>>>
>>>> Take a look at :
>>>> Exchange Server 2003 Cluster Configuration Checklist
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/msit/operations/exchcluster
>>>> cklist.mspx?pf=true
>>>>
>>>> Changing the IP address of network adapters in cluster server
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/230356/EN-US/
>>>>
>>>> Or in PDF format at:
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
http://www.maned.com/support/knowledge_base/Roundhouse/Recommended_Readi
>>>> ng/Q230356.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Also just in case you ever have to change it on a SQL:
>>>>
>>>> How to change the network IP addresses of SQL Server virtual
servers
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/244980/en-us
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Jose Medeiros
>>>> MCP+I, MCSE, NT4 MCT
>>>> 408-765-0437 Direct
>>>> 408-449-6621 Cell
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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>>>> --------------------
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Mike Newell" <mike.newell@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:53 PM
>>>> Subject: [ActiveDir] Change private IP on a cluster
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Doh! Didn't mean to let this go without the OT:. Sorry.
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Mike Newell
>>>> Sent: Sun 6/4/2006 11:40 AM
>>>> To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [ActiveDir] Change private IP on a cluster
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey,
>>>> I have an Exchange 2003 active/passive cluster on Windows 2003 and
I
>>>> need
>>>> to change the private ip on both nodes. I realize that while I'm
>>>> changing the IP the nodes will not talk to each other and likely
> kick
>>>> the passive node off or stop the cluster service for a few minutes
> on
>>>> the passive node.
>>>>
>>>> Is there anything else I will need to do or look out for? I don't
>>>> *think* this is a big deal but since it's a production cluster, and
>>> I've
>>>> never had to do this, I thought I would check before I tried it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>
>>>> Mike.
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>
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