[etni] Re: gap between the tsiun shnati and the bagrut exam
- From: Bari Nirenberg <bnirenberg@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: batop@xxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 14:16:00 +0200
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Actually, I experienced the opposite. After giving grades that were
"too high" last year (though there wasn't enough of a gap for the
magen grade to be worth less than 50%), my magen grades for module F
this winter ended up, in most cases, being LOWER than what my students
received on the exam. In fact, two of my students, neither of whom
are native speakers (though one did spend 4 years in the US) got 100
on module F. I've never seen either of them write an absolutely
perfect composition, but I'm happy that they got good grades. The
problem is, one of them got 84 on the matkonet (last year's Bagrut,
marked using the official answer key) and I gave him a tziun magen of
90. That's 10 points lower than what he got on the exam. I had two
other cases of students who got magen grades of 83 and got 93 on the
exam. Again, I'm happy for them, but I feel uncomfortable about
having "missed the mark", as my grades are generally pretty accurate.
I'm finding it much harder to give an accurate grade when the entire
exam consists of only one unseen and one composition. Lots of times,
the kids just "get" the text (completely understand what is being
asked of them) and other times, they just "miss" (which happened to my
only student who got under 80 -- she's normally one of the best
students in the class). I hope that with time and practice, I'll be
able to get this right, but when the exam is so short and each
question is worth so many points (and so many points are deducted for
grammar), it's very hard to predict how a kid will do.
Bari
On Apr 5, 2005 5:46 PM, jif mak <batop@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> I wonder if you could please help me understand the following:
>
> I teach the 5 pts students. My students did well on modules F and G both in
> the mivhan shnati and on the bagrut. For some unknown reason their grades
> where very poor when the bagrut results were published. They insist that
> they did very well on the bagrut; I also believe so. They checked up their
> answers on the net and newspapers. Most of them got a grade higher than 90 in
> their magen. My question here: do the markers intend to give lower grades
> purposefully or do they try to prove that they are good markers by giving low
> marks.
> As a result the magen was canceled and the students got lower averages that
> we all expected; averages that by all means do not show their real high level
> in English.
> Did any other teachers encounter this problem? why is there a tendency to
> give low grades by markers?
> My final question: If a student takes modules c,d and e (4 pts) and then
> takes modules f and g, how will his grade be calculated.
>
> I really thank you deeply for taking the time to help me in my confusion
> here and i am looking forward to your answers.
>
> respectfully,
> the confused teacher.
>
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