[etni] Re: etni Digest V3 #79
- From: Howard Hanan Sibirsky <howdon@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:10:56 +0200
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Orly,
Thanks for your point. You are perfectly right. I hope that I didn't leave in
impression that I accept the "second salary" reality of Israel today.
I meant exactly what you say. Teacher Income should- no, must- be raised to a
level where professional teachers ( I like a the English language version of
this word, where no separation of sex, or gender, is inferred ) of either sex
will join the profession and give credit to our education system. The pay is so
low that what you inferred does happen.
Thanks again. We are on the same side. Hanan
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Subject: etni Digest V3 #79
> etni Digest Sun, 20 Mar 2005 Volume: 03 Issue: 079
>
> In This Issue:
> [etni] [FWD: School internet list]
> [etni] Re: an eye-opening article about developmental gender
> [etni] movies
> [etni] new ETNI poll - Single-sex education
> [etni] male and female teachers
> [etni] gmul
> [etni] looking for a tutor
> [etni] [FWD: Dispensations]
> [etni] Re: etni Digest V3 #77
> [etni] Civics, Language and American Studies Seminar
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:47:49 -0700
> From: ask@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: [etni] [FWD: School internet list]
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: School internet list
> From: Mike <mike1302@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am presently looking to work as a teacher of English, but
> specifically High School, and preferably to dovrei anglit. I would like
> to send my CV to schools in the Modi'in/Jerusalem/Tel Aviv/Ra'anana
> areas. However, I have no contact details for these schools, and your
> schools page is being updated.
>
> Do you have any ideas as to how I can find contact information for
> these schools?
>
> Yours,
>
> Michael Lewis
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Howard Green" <thegreens@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] Re: an eye-opening article about developmental gender dif
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:45:12 +0200
>
> I went to Stuyvesant high School in New York City, a non-religious, all boys
> high school (now co-educational). I enjoyed and benefited from every minute
> of its outstanding program.
>
> As a high school principal, my school had some classes only for young men
> and some only for young women. The US Supreme Court ruled that such classes
> were illegal. Consequently, many young men and women refused to take those
> subjects in co-educational classes and missed an opportunity to learn.
>
> Single sex schools would be one way to improve discipline in Israel's
> schools while offering expanded learning opportunities. Since I made Aliyah,
> I find it very difficult to see the level of operation of some of Israel's
> schools which were once rated as among the best in the world.
>
> Howard Green
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judi Granit" <judiavi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "ETNI" <etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:29 AM
> Subject: [etni] an eye-opening article about developmental gender dif
>
>
>> **** ETNI on the web http://www.etni.org.il http://www.etni.org ****
>>
>> I found the article very interesting. I teach in a girls' school and I
>> have long suspected the benefits of single sex education - it certainly
>> makes it simpler for me as an English teacher in terms of choice of
>> stories and books to read.
>>
>> Don't think my own kids would agree to go to a single sex school though
>> even if a non-religious version was offered!
>>
>> Judi G.
>>
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:46:08 +0200
> From: Zev Rosenfield <szros@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] movies
>
> Hi all!
> I'm looking for ideas of movies (old and new) which feature individuals or
> groups who are rejected from society or actually sent away. No, this isn't
> about the Holocaust or Gush Katif - just about rejection.
> Thanks -
> Shoshana
> szros@xxxxxxx
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:58:25 -0700
> From: ask@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: [etni] new ETNI poll - Single-sex education
>
> Hi all,
>
> A new ETNI poll is up.
>
> "Boys and girls learn better in a single-sex education framework."
>
> - agree
> - disagree
>
> Before voting, you may want to read about this subject. We have set up a
> special page -
>
> "Single-Sex Education: The pros and cons"
> www.etni.org/singlesexedu.htm
>
> with links to articles relating to this subject.
> If you know of other articles on this subject, please send us the URL so
> that we can add a link to this page.
>
> Go to - www.etni.org - to vote, and also leave a comment on the poll
> bulletin board, if you wish.
>
> =======================================
>
> Results of the last poll:
>
> "Is your principal doing a good job?"
>
> - yes (35%)
> - no (65%)
>
> =======================================
>
> The ETNI Team
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:44:13 +0200
> From: Orly Sela <gosela@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] male and female teachers
>
> Dear Hanan & Everyone,
>
>
> Don't worry, I am not going to attack you like you wrote at the end of your
> letter. In fact, I agree with many things you have written. However, you
> made one comment which I feel cannot be left unanswered.
>
>
>
> "A male teacher, whose first income is teaching, cannot be expected to make
> a living
> with the low pay you and I receive."
>
> And a female teacher can??!!
>
> What difference does it make if the receiver of the salary is male or
> female? If the salary is too low to support a family than it is too low,
> regardless of the teacher's gender.
>
> It is precisely people who think this way that have invented the terrible
> term "second salary". What does that mean? In my family, I suspect like in
> most Israeli families, there are two adults, both of whom work outside the
> home and earn a salary. These salaries both go into a joint bank account
> from which all family expenses are paid. What exactly makes my salary less
> important than my partner's?
>
> People, if we treat ourselves as second best and less important, why should
> anyone else treat us differently? Let's fight for higher salaries, not for
> male or female teachers, but for teachers!!!
>
> Orly Sela
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:46:03 +0200
> From: Orly Sela <gosela@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] gmul
>
> Hi Amanda,
>
>
> I have managed to do the impossible and get a GMUL for my presentation at
> ETAI last summer.
>
>
>
> You can get in touch with me and I'll try to help.
>
>
>
> gosela@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> Orly Sela
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:58:56 +0200
> From: woz-rach@xxxxxxx
> Subject: [etni] looking for a tutor
>
> I know it is a bit early to be thinking about the summer but ... I am looking
> for a tutor to work with an English speaking child who is in the first grade
> now.He lives in Beit Shemesh and he needs help with reading and writing in
> English on a daily basis throughout the months of July and August.
> If anyone is interested, drop me a line,
> Rachel.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:09:48 -0700
> From: ask@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: [etni] [FWD: Dispensations]
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Dispensations
> From: "byk" <byk@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Dear List,
> I know we all keep asking questions that have already been answered.
> Unfortunately, schools often give different answers to what
> dispensations can now be given.
> I need to know whether tapes are still given to students whose only
> problem is technical reading, or are they read to by a teacher.
> I have several students who are really dyslexic, and, though they do
> read, do so very slowly. The new bagrut demands particularly close
> reading, which means they have to hunt for information again and again,
> and it takes them ages. So what dispensations do they get?
> Thanks again
> Jennifer Byk
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Howard Green" <thegreens@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [etni] Re: etni Digest V3 #77
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:07:33 +0200
>
> Hanan,
>
> The solution to the problems you outlined are not solvable by an influx of
> money, although that would centainly get teachers the salaries they properly
> deserve. The solution will come from teachers careing about the environment
> in which they and by asserting control over disciplin with strong support
> from the Ministry, school principal and parents.
>
> Howard Green
>
> Howard Green
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Howard Hanan Sibirsky" <howdon@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:00 AM
> Subject: [etni] Re: etni Digest V3 #77
>
>
>> **** ETNI on the web http://www.etni.org.il http://www.etni.org ****
>>
>> I have been teaching for 34 years in our country. My real shock is not
>> what
>> is happening now, but what I saw 34 years ago when I first came to work
>> in
>> a well known school which I will not name. I came face to face with
>> wasted
>> time, teachers who, in the main, cannot be called professionals,
>> principals
>> who obviously were chosen for their political connections and speaking
>> abilities and seemed to me to be more interested in in-fighting than
>> progress.
>>
>> I came face to face with dirt - teachers who were either too tired
>> fighting
>> this phenomena or where simply used to garbage under their feet. I wish I
>> had a shekel for every lesson I had to delay and ask the kids to help me
>> pick up the piles of garbage under their seats. A perennial comment was
>> that
>> I was the only teacher who demanded clean floors. As I walked through the
>> halls of learning, my ears covered to keep out the constant noise and
>> screaming, I would see that it was so.
>>
>> The technical abilities of the teachers I have known were and are almost
>> nil - everyone had and has computers and other electrical gadgets at home.
>> At work only texts.
>>
>> I am not talking about one but many schools I have worked in. A male
>> teacher, whose first income is teaching, cannot be expected to make a
>> living
>> with the low pay you and I receive.
>>
>> I can go on and on without a stop, I am sorry to say.
>>
>> Nothing has hardly changed, and seems to have gotten worse. Just read the
>> letter copied below.
>>
>> Learning, though, does go on. Just consider the extent of private
>> tutoring,
>> the millions spend on these by parents who can buy better schooling and
>> teaching.
>>
>> And finally, most teachers see their work as a comfortable way to earn a
>> second income and come home in time to take care of their kids. Can you
>> imaging your doctors, engineers, lawyers, police, army or any other
>> profession operating in such a way? Doesn't that in part explain the lack
>> of
>> fighting spirit among teachers to improve teaching methods, modernize and
>> so
>> on?
>>
>> So, ladies (and a few men), try to see the problem for what it is and try
>> not to blame others for our sins.
>>
>> Hanan
>>
>> P.S. I am expecting a wave of attacks against what I wrote above. And the
>> same conditions will continue and continue and ........ ........ .
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:03:04 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: Barry Praag <bpraag@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [etni] Article in Haaretz
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting the article. I am having difficulty
>>> in understanding what Lev's problem is with this. The
>>> fact that this country is coming apart at its social
>>> seams should not surprise anyone. Add to that the
>>> continuing cuts and shirking of governmental
>>> responsibilty gives us a recipe for social disaster.
>>> The education system up to now has not been decimated
>>> as have other government departments.
>>> They are going to try and break us and pull us apart
>>> so that the privitisation vultures can pick over the
>>> remains.
>>> There we are Lev a diatribe or discussion of the
>>> article take your pick.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __________________________________
>>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:51:59 -0700
> From: ask@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: [etni] Civics, Language and American Studies Seminar
>
> From: "Stein, Jackie" <SteinJX@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> CLASS: Civics, Language and American Studies Seminar
> July 24-28, 2005
>
> Every year the Office of Public Affairs of the United States Embassy in
> Israel, organizes a seminar for 25 Israeli English high school teachers
> from all around the country. The seminars, entitled CLASS which stands
> for Civics, Language and American Studies Seminar, and are recognized
> by the Israel Ministry of Education. All participants receive between
> 45 and 50 enrichment points for attending.
>
> CLASS is held under the sponsorship of the U.S. Department of State,
> which sends three top level U.S. speakers to Israel specifically for
> this purpose. This year, renowned U.S. author and editor of the
> acclaimed literary magazine The Southern Review, Bret Lott, will speak
> on the twentieth century novel; Professor David Doris, University of
> Michigan, will lecture Disneyland as a Metaphor of American Culture;
> and Andrea Schindler, State Department English Teaching Officer will
> demonstrate how to incorporate all the texts into Contents-Based
> Instruction for the English language classroom.
>
> CLASS is an immersion seminar. This means that all the participants stay
> at the Yitzhak Rabin Youth Hostel which is situated on the premises of
> the School for Senior Educators, Israel Ministry of Education's
> prestigious in-house training center where the seminar traditionally
> takes place. The seminar is an intensive five-day learning experience,
> requiring full and active participation from all the participants. This
> year CLASS will run from July 24 through 28, 2005 inclusive.
>
> If you are interested in attending, please print out the attached letter
> and application form available in both Word and PDF format at the
> following URL:
>
> http://israel.usembassy.gov/publish/class/class.html
>
> Please fill out the form carefully and fax it to Jackie Stein at
> 02-624-560 or 02- 623-3519 or post to: Jackie Stein, The American
> Center, P.O. Box 920, Jerusalem 91008. Letters and applications forms
> have also been be sent to principals of high schools throughout Israel
> and will be posted the TIKSHUV, ETNI and REED English teaching
> websites. Please note that the seminar attracts many more applications
> than we are able to accommodate, and we will reluctantly have to turn
> down many applicants due to lack of space. Registration closes on May
> 15, 2005.
>
>
>
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