[etni] Re: The right to sit 5 point bagrut

I don't do this.  I would never encourage this.  It's what a kid from
Jerusalem who is volunteering at our school for a shnat sherut did.  I
personally think it's ridiculous and that she should have worked in school
-- but it is what she did.
Michele



On 3/15/07, avi tsur <tsuravi@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Shalom

A pupil who is at the level of 5 points should not under any circumstances
be made to take a 4 point exam. You are playing with fire if you encourage
or tell your pupils to take the exam with a pinch of salt and later do it
externally (he sits for the exam at his school) as word gets around FAST,
the kids talk with their friends and you may end up with an epidemic. My
honest opinion and  suggestion is to let your school English Inspector
take
care of this problem. Yes there are 2 sides that need to be heard and it
is
part of our job-description to be objective in such cases.

Avi Tsur


>From: "Michele Ben" <mggben@xxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: mggben@xxxxxxxxx
>To: Etni <etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [etni] Re: Fw: The right to sit 5 point bagrut
>Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:52:17 +0200
>
>We have a teacher's aide in our school who is doing a year of
>volunteer work who did her 5 pt Bagrut with a very low school grade
>because of siminlar problems to your private pupil.  She just did it
>externally this Moed Horef and said it was really easy because her
>English is excellent- so that's what your kid can do: do the bagrut in
>order to get his school certificate and then re-do it afterwards.
>Michele
>
>On 3/14/07, Ask <ask@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: byk - byk@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: The right to sit 5 point bagrut
>>
>>Dear List,
>>
>>I urgently need a reply to this question.
>>
>>I have a private student who is in a 5 point class.  He has done all his
>>exams and two projects - the first was rejected because he wrote about
>>Hugh
>>Heffner, the creator of Playboy magazine.
>>
>>Unfortunately the boy is rather unorthodox; he has created his own
>>business,
>>plays league football, coaches tennis, and also has a part-time job.  As
>>you
>>can imagine, he misses more classes than he is allowed, but makes up the
>>work he misses.  For this reason, his teacher refuses to put him in for
5
>>points, although he is definitely a 5 point student.  She says that if
he
>>sits the exam, his magen grade will be zero.  She will, however, allow
him
>>to sit the 4 point exam, but this will cost him his full Bagrut, because
>>of
>>the missing point.  If she gives him zero, he will not be able tomake up
>>the
>>extra point while he is in the army.
>>
>>Far be it from me to wish to undermine his teacher; God knows that a
>>teacher's life is hard enough, without this type of hassle.  However I
am
>>wondering whether the boy isn'thave able to take a 'magen' test, and use
>>this mark, plus his exam results and project mark, in order to have a
>>magen
>>grade.  It does seem to me that his teacher is being overly harsh.  Of
>>course, I only have his side of the story, but I have seen his two
>>projects,
>>definitely his own work, beautifully researched and excellently and
>>enthusiastically presented orally.
>>
>>Does anyone out there have an official answer for me?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Jennifer Byk
>>
>>
>>
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