[etni] Fw: re: school Bagrut vs "externi"
----- Original Message ----- From: avi tsur - tsuravi@xxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: RE: school Bagrut vs "externi"

shabbat shalom and Chag Sameach
My personal opinion about kids not wanting to do the work but demanding grades etc is the following
As English is a compulsory subject, students must study and do the work. If they and their parents feel that they can get a better deal doing the exam as an "externi" student, then they should be asked to leave the school and go to one of the "so called Bagrut factory" schools where they can do ALL THE SUBJECTS and not only English. A school that lets the parents get away with this will face a bigger problem in the future as it will snow-ball. INFORM your inspector who together with the general inspector of the school will clarify this issue with the "authorities"
Wishing you all a restful and peaceful Pesach vacation. And to all my friends from Otef Azza - a quiet and peaceful future 

avi


Adi wrote:
That is completely true. However, consider this - if people want to opt for 
that, let them and don't be angry - I did the same thing with math with no
disprespect intended, I just couldn't/wouldn't handle it during
school-years; I did absolutely nothing for 12 years and then concentrated
for 3 and a half months and successfully passed.
Because I believe all of the exams themselves can be passed externally,
independetly and quite easily, I tend to either not teach FOR the bagrut, or if I do - I make sure the kids know that I teach English, not Bagrut-passing as a subject. If I'm comfortable with that they become comfortable with that 
and either do the work (which most of them do) or not - their choice.
I think your anger stems from the general pressure and year long fact that
we are a "Beit Charoshet Letzionim", but don't forget that we as human
beings always complain about that - so, let's change it - make it about
English and knwoledge and not about grades and Bagrut...
How about it?!


jesg wrote:

I don't know if any of you have faced this problem or have been disturbed
by this particular situation.. I was recently approached by a few 11th gr.
students who have done nothing all year (including a project) and now
"demand" a decent yearly grade and claim they will sign up for any of the
modules that they please... when I told them that they don't have a yearly
grade for any module..and I sent letters home all year..and called.etc,etc.. 
their parents said they would complain about me to Judy Steiner.... of
course,they are more than welcome as far as I'm concerned !!! Their
rachezet told them the same thing ....at they have no yearly grade..so they 
got off "my case" and dropped English all together..taking a few friends
with..claiming they don't need me or the yearly grade....and they will do
ENglish as soon as they graduate.."externi" exams without all the work..in
any case they will get the same exam mark and final results WITHOUT the
effort of booktasks, literature and projects.... One of their homeroom
teachers told me privately that if this is so then she's surprised more kids 
don't take this option...minimum hassle for the same results!!!! Is this
true??? If so..just another example of why teachers look stupid in the eyes 
of the public !!!!




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