[etni] Re: Fw: re: gmulim

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I take VERY strong exception to what has been written here:  that NO gmulim
should be given to teachers preparing native speakers.    I don't know if
you have ever taught native speakers, but  the amount of written work that I
give my pupils, and which keeps me occupied not only on my day off but on
Saturdays as well, entitles me to those gmulim, believe me!!     Besides, I
can say with certainty that teachers of native speakers do not limit
themselves to preparing their pupils for the Bagrut exam, but see it as
their goal to enrich their pupils' knowledge of literature, develop their
expository and creative writing skills , cope with difficult texts like the
type they might find at the university, improve their vocabulary, teach them
how to speak in front of a group and even debate, in short, help them to
achieve a very high standard of English.   For all that don't we deserve a
measly gmul or two?   According to the logic of what you've written, native
speakers don't have to be taught at all; just give them a Bagrut or two to
practice on and send them off to the test!

Regards, Maxine Tsvaigrach


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> From: "Steve & Alisa Glickman" <glickman@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [etni] Fw: gmulim
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> You are Absolutely right !. I have always said said NO gmulim should be
> given to teachers preparing native speakers.
> They (the pupils) do not need any teachers to take the Israeli bagrut test
.
> I have tried giving the five point test to non-native very good Israeli
kids
> in the 8th and 9th grade. They got (without much guidance) over 90!!!
> A point to ponder......:(
> Aliza
>
> Ruth wrote:
> >I would like to ask my esteemed colleagues a question about the gmulim
> >system. Isn't it strange that up till now teachers of 5 pointers have
> >received a higher gmul than those of the lower levels? do they do more
> work?
> >I would put it to you that teaching the lesser abled kids demands far
more
> >work on the part of the teacher.For my Mabar kids who will only take a 3
> >point level I put in far more work and effort than for my 5 point Yudbet.
> >Any takers??
>
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