[etni] Re: [FWD: Re: Oral Bagrut - an interesting experience]
- From: "Adele Raemer and Laurie Levy" <raemer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Bari Nirenberg" <bnirenberg@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:51:34 +0200
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Well, then, if the teacher KNEW that they cheated and gave them a zero, they
HAVE been penalized, haven't they? Why didn't you ask the teacher? The
point is, though, that the oral project tests the kids on an interview and
the project. The kids are supposed to talk about their project and you give
them a grade on how they organized and presented their stuff. That can
still be done, as far as you're concerned. The ONLY one I can find at fault
here is their own English teacher. In my opinion, you should speak to the
teacher and possibly the coordinator of the school's English department.
Considering the fact that this is the first year it is really being
implemented, one can say that the testers can be a little more lenient, but
if you do not discuss it with the teacher and the coordinator, there is no
reason to believe that the situation will be any better next year.
I think it would be a really good idea if all of the counselors,
coordinators and inspectors thought about what we can do with the staffs at
the different schools, in-service sessions and conferences that will be
taking place in the coming months, to all learn from this - the first year
of implementing projects in the classrooms, and testing them as part of the
bagruyot. Maybe there should be follow up sessions for the NBA courses, as
well.
I have no doubt that there is great potential in implementing projects, and
that when used for testing, the backwash in the classrooms can be fantastic
if done properly; devastating, if done without proper training.
So, as I have written before, if you haven't done an NBA course.... (I know
that both of you- Bari and Avram have done one- but the rest of the
teachers ) be sure to do it ASAP!
Adele
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bari Nirenberg" <bnirenberg@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Adele Raemer and Laurie Levy" <raemer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <avrahamroos@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [etni] Re: [FWD: Re: Oral Bagrut - an interesting experience]
>>
>> Right - but as you said - SOME kids didn't follow instructions... many of
>> them probably did, and the ones who didn't I trust , that fact was
>> reflected
>> in their grade!
>>
>
> Yes, of course it was (much to my chagrin -- I've had students running
> after me all week claiming that I was very unfair in my grading).
> However, "anonymous" mentioned only three projects out of I don't know
> how many. If the projects weren't done in groups, that's only three
> students out of a class. Maybe their teacher KNEW that they cheated
> and gave them a zero. There would be no way for the oral examiner to
> know this. I certainly won't be informing the testers at our school
> that my kids didn't follow instructions and handed in lousy projects.
>
> Bari
>
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