**** ETNI on the web http://www.etni.org.il http://www.etni.org **** -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [etni] Oral Bagrut - an interesting experience From: "Avraham J. Roos" <avrahamroos@xxxxxxxxxx> > While realizing there will always be pupils who try to cheat - I think > it will help if teachers set a very specific "umbrella topic" for their > class projects and set them very specific criteria as to what/how to > write the projects. The topic should also be different every year. > In this particular school the pupils had been given total freedom to > choose a project topic. Dear Anonymus and others, I disagree with your solution concernng an umbrella topic for several reasons. First of all, the aim of the project is to give pupils a topic they like and are interested in to talk about. Finding such a broad umbrella topic that covers all interest fields (and then changing it every year) is not easy. I therefore gave my pupils the choice to write about whatever they wanted. I will come back to the problem you mentioned with this later. Another problem is the oral exam. I have just finished testing at a school in Herzliah where the umbrella topic was advertising. Can you imagine how utterly boring it is to test 21 pupils who have all prepared the same topics to talk about and all approximately tell the same thing? You cannot take off points for being boring, can you? And you must be as interested and attentive listening to a well prepared argument for the 20th time as you were the first time you heard it! So how can you make sure the pupils really wrote their own projects? Well, this is coming back to the same questions raised concerning the bookreports isn't it? You could tell them to write it in class, or you could give specific instructions concerning the order, the parts to be included and the research questions raised. Let me give some examples. My students were required to go through at least two drafts of every part (introduction, background, reseach, conclusion). THEY HAD TO INCLUDE THE DRAFTS WITH MY CORRECTIONS AS A SEPERATE PART OF THE PROJECT CALLED PROCESS. (sorry for shouting there). My corrections were often not only spelling or grammar but also advice and requests to add details, change the order or delete a certain part. This way, they went to the proces of writing the project under very close inspection. Furthermore, I demanded certain entries that forced the pupils to personalize e.g. pupils had to include a section on what they had learned from the project and why they had decided to write about this project. Last of all, I decided whether I liked to research question or not. And I only allowed research questions that forced the puils to do some real work. One pupil wanted to write about Jerusalem (had probably a ready made project handy about the topic). He proposed as a research question which part of Jerusalem is called the City of David. I told him that that would be interesting stuff for the background but that I wanted him to find a tourguide, interview him about tours to the City of David and find out why there has been an increase in tourism in the City of David during the last few years. He had to swallow a few times but in the end swallowed it and handed in a very nice piece of work which is at least part for sure his own! Have fun, Avraham Roos PS I tested at Ulpanat Tsivya at Herzliah and need urgently to get in touch with the English teacher there Jeanette. Jeanett, if you read this please call me at 03-9794061 ##### To send a message to the ETNI list email: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ##### ##### Send queries and questions to: ask@xxxxxxxx #####