[esnr] Re: Get up, stand up

  • From: "Berrie Gerrits" <praktijkgerrits@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <esnr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:02:45 +0200

In reply to Jorge:
excellent idea: the analog of the TBI resource list. I would most welcome
it! Thank you Jorge!
Met vriendelijke groet/All the best/Ciao,

Berrie Gerrits

Psychologenpraktijk Gerrits
Sloetstraat 14
6524 AS  Nijmegen
Tel: 024-3235053

Neurofeedback en QEEG gecertificeerd
BIG geregistreerd (GZ en psychotherapie)

----- Original Message -----
From: <ex_ip276239@xxxxxxx>
To: <esnr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 7:50 PM
Subject: [esnr] Re: Get up, stand up

> Hi all,
> Further to what Berrie has pointed out in the e-mail I would like to
> take one part of it :
> On Saturday 10 Jul 2004 16:19, you wrote:
> >
> > position within SAN and how to make it stronger. Maybe we could have a
> > seperate list to discuss these ideas and in this way feed the
> > Committee (or other committees). In my peronal opinion there should be
> > for clinicians to exchange protocols, do's and don'ts, building a SAN
> > database (just like Marco proposed). I would welcome an European e-mail
> > Intervisiongroup (clinicians who consult clinicians by e-mail,
> This is an excellent idea. The reason for it is that cases which are been
> discussed in other e-mail discussion groups (biofeedback) should, or not
> happen, or be reduced to a minimum. For instances this client has pointed
> this case :
> >Some of the professionals who screwed aroound with my own case came
> >very highly credentialed and highly labeled!  One had his medical
> >degree from Johns Hopkins, his residency from Gerogetown and a post
> >doc from Texas Medical Center and is a revered expert in epilepsy.
> >It just took him a while to get the gist of things with me, because
> >he was too busy working excessive hours to sit down and give my case
> >enough thought to figure it out.  He set my recovery back 5 months
> >at least.
> ....
> >I had to work on him for a long time before he came around to giving
> >me the time of day.  At one point he was shoving above maximum dose
> >AED's down my throat a day.  When he finally got around to listening
> >and studying my case and some of the literature I slung his way, he
> >acted on it and we started to make progress.  And I mean "we" here.
> >he did some target testing that allowed him to target the treatment
> >more specifically which resulted it greater stabilization.  But, I
> >had to force that issue.
> This is something which cannot happen. The client should not be the one
> who gives information to the therapist. For that there is a need for a
> continuous actualization of knowledge and exchange of cases is just one
> The other is to give points to something like on-line exams/readings of
> literature in the area where the therapist is working on.
> As far as I know, the EFPA is, at this moment, working on this issue, but
> there are quite a few clinicians who do not want it, like the Portuguese
> representative (this is my own 'fight' now). I, sincerely, hope that this
> forward so that professional organizations, like what we are trying to do
> psiconeurotherapy/psicophysiotherapy, and clinicians, organize their
> timetable to publish case reports and research articles.
> It is quite obvious that some research methodology, like control groups,
> is much more difficult to implement in clinical than in experimental work.
> But there is NO reason for not publishing/discussing cases as well as
> up to date. I spend about 1 to 2 hours a day reading new
> Why not making something similar to what the 'Centre for Neuro Skills'
> which is to publish a monthly 'TBI Resource Guide' but in our case
> related to NF? This could be included in the subscription to ESNR which
> cover the cost for setting up such resource list.
> I do understand clinicians who are working in this area and do not want to
> 'loose' the nice economic gain one can get from NF. I, at this moment,
> enough cases to keep another colleague working with me, and new cases
> are coming in every week (in particular if one does assessment and NF
> interventions). But it is better to keep a steady pace and high level of
> results than to try to attend to everybody and mess things up.
> Jorge Alvoeiro
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> Prof. Dr. Jorge Alvoeiro, Ph.D.(Hull,UK), C.Psych.(BPS,UK)
> 2000-119 Santarem
> Portugal
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> E-Mail: ex_ip276239@xxxxxxx
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