Posting this Maximilian. Will ask Joe to contact you about posting on the List. Would be very keen about Zurich. Alas, only Dietrich Lehmann represents the field there, and he is it the Emeritus stage. However, down the line we may persuade some of his pupils, who now have chairs to enter the field, but work needs to be done here as they did not come down the road to Winterthur? John -----Original Message----- From: MT [mailto:neurofeedback@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 22 June 2004 08:37 To: Gruzelier, John H Subject: esnr san etc Dear John, there is unfortunately no way to access the list, for reasons unknown to me. This is why I adress my message directly to you. As already discussed in Winterthur, I strongly support Lesley Parkinsons view of being very open for access only to professionals with an academic background. This will be the "royal" way -what I never miss to emphasize- for further implementation in universities and greater acceptance, plus the possibility to get research meeting the standards. By the way, Zurich has a phantastic opera house. Did you ever think about Zurich? Best regards PS. EM, no regrets, the British team is better! Unfortunately much better! Maximilian Teicher Dipl.-Psych. Psychotherapeut SPV Psychologe FSP Praxis fuer Integrative Psychotherapie Biofeedback und Neurofeedback Limmatquai 70 CH-8001 Zurich Switzerland Tel +41 1 262 85 85 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gruzelier, John H" <> To: <esnr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:04 AM Subject: [esnr] Re: Training and Certification. | Thankyou everyone for all the messages that have come in over the weekend. | | We anticipate that it will take a long time to set up Training courses and Certification. This is at a very, very early stage. | | We will begin, by holding a week long course on basic training that will be relevant to all three streams envisaged. At the same time we are in discussions with Trondheim. | | Jorge, it was antiticipated that these will be for graduates, in most cases, and they will be at diploma/masters level. The European diploma scheme sounds interesting, can you forward details? The SAN concept, in contrast to E-SNR, clearly should help in strengthening the role of neurofeedback amongst the scientific and clinical communty and warding off any form of take over. | [The BPPS is till alive an kicking, though atracts about 40-50 to its annual meetings. I was invited to organise a symposium on biofeedback last year to which Niels Birbaummer and Herta Flor contributed. Two psychology departments have since invited me back to speak with the intention of starting biofeedback reearch.] | | Plase note that the aims to set up Training and Certifiacation will occur no matter what form the society takes, these aims are independent of the issues of the Referendum. | | Volunteers to serve on the committee for Training and Certification are most welcome. | | John | | | -----Original Message----- | From: esnr-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:esnr-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On | Behalf Of Catherine Ruckert | Sent: 21 June 2004 08:32 | To: esnr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | Subject: [esnr] Re: Neurofeedback | | | Dear List membersm, | | One thing which we cannot regulate with training is ethical behaviour. I am | BCIA certified, a veteran special educationalist, and an ASHA speech | pathologist. Should a patient of mine with an ADHD son request treatment | for herself, and I suspect there is a psychiatric condition, I would never | dream of treating her without full medical and psychological evaluations, | diagnoses and backup. Clinicial diagnosis and hands on treatment are very | different in this case. That is an ethical standard. There are many MD and | PhD practioners who use NFB with no specific education. | Their standard of practice is certainly lower that mine, so where do we draw | the line. I believe that we are all responsible for knowing our own | limitations, and for sticking to the highest level of personal and public | accountability. As a profession it is the only way we can grow in both | reputation and recognition. | | Catherine | | _________________________________________________________________ | MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* | http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus | | |