Hmmm....never saw that tool before. I may put the old pads back in...they're not all that bad and order something like that. I've never opened the bleeder to do that, but then it's never too late to learn stuff. It's dark now, but I can try several options in the morning. Thanks for the help, Ray That's for rear discs. As for opening the bleeder... Well when changing pads on cars with ABS you never push the brake fluid back up to the MC you open the bleeder and push it out. The trash in the fluid at the calipers will gunk up the ABS pump. Robert Adams -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange Rules: Please play nicely with others. -List members page (text & pic links): http://www.myelcamino.net/eclist.htm -List members page (all pics): http://www.myelcamino.net/ec_list.htm