George,I am not taking it personally, just made an observation. ;) Its like getting peeved with deaf people whose written language skills are not on the same level as those of hearing people. Its not the fault of the deaf person so much as its the fault of the education system.
I also see blind people who grew up with braille and cannot spell to save their lives. Yes they can learn but if they had the proper education early on, it would not be an issue.
I have done things a certain way for years and now I must overcome this as my vision fails. Its hell. But I must do it. And I do lvoe braille and what it does for me.
So I hope I can learn from this lsit without seeing a class of people put down in any way. If transcribers are paid to transcribe, then their job duties includes cleaning up messes. ;) And that is an advantage for me because I can learn from you all who have learned to clean up the messes in some fashion.
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To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:33 AMSubject: [duxuser] Re: Spam Characteristics: Re: NEED HELP WITH PARAGRAPH STYLE
Hi Robert, I certainly wouldn't take it personally in any way, shape or form. Indeed quite the reverse, or you would not be on this list at all. What Jean (I believe) and I are talking about are those who simply refuse to learn. They have done things a specific way for ever, and are not about to change -- for anyone. In a very extreme case we had a while ago, a lady had hand typed a THIRTY page Table of Contents. Printed the whole document, then manually entered the page numbers. There was not one single Style in a 700 plus page document. And yet the document looked visually perfect. She had been using Word for years, and had always done things this way. Can you imagine how long it would have taken to sort that mess out into braille? Fortunately in this particular case, the lady concerned was delighted that we provided her with the training her bosses should have allowed her years ago, and she went away a happy camper. But sadly this is not always the case. George. -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Clark Sent: 21 January 2007 17:17 To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: Spam Characteristics: Re: NEED HELP WITH PARAGRAPH STYLE I dont wish to start a war but find comments like "You definitely don't build in tools to accommodate the stupidity of users." to be less than helpful. I ahve been using Word in some version or another since 95 and am still, well, not a proficient Word processor. Does that put me in the same group as the one in the above quote? I hope not because now I have reason to learn how to use Word more effectively. We will always have people who do things with less than perfection. That is the way it is and always will be. *---* *---* *---* *---* *---* There are 24 hours in a day, and 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not! Robert & Dreamer Doll (Guide Dawggie) Newport, Oregon N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup rclark0276@xxxxxxxxxxx http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@xxxxxxx>To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:20 AM Subject: [duxuser] Re: Spam Characteristics: Re: NEED HELP WITH PARAGRAPH STYLESteve, but what you need to figure out is how to usesearch and replaceand macros to do fixes to poorly prepared documents, andwork to educatepeople in word processing skills. You definitely don'tbuild in tools toaccommodate the stupidity of users. All that does it tellpeople that it'sokay to do things the way they've always done them... Nowonder literacyand grammar and other skills are going down the tubes... Jean * * * * This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org. * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with * unsubscribe * as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. Youmay also* subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and othersubscription* options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The listarchive* is also located there. * Duxbury Systems' web site ishttp://www.duxburysystems.com* * ** * * * This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org. * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with * unsubscribe * as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list archive * is also located there. * Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com * * * * * * * This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org. * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with * unsubscribe * as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list archive * is also located there. * Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com* * *
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