[duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5

  • From: "Susan Stageberg" <stageberg.susan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:14:09 -0600

I think it's too bad that we have to resort to such old-fashioned
methods, and that the styles don't always behave as they ought. On the
other hand, I get to play dictator over the land of Braille.

Susie


Susie Stageberg
Project ASSIST with Windows
Iowa Department for the Blind
(515) 281-1351 
stageberg.susan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 1:07 PM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5


That's what I've been doing all these years.  I like putting in my codes
so I know where they really are! 


Ann Foxworth, Braille Consultant
Div. for Blind Services
4800 N. Lamar BLVD
Austin, TX 78756
PH: 512-377-0471, 
E-mail: ann.foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
-----Original Message-----
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Susan Stageberg
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:57 AM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5

Yes, you're right about the version of Duxbury. And I have had the same
problem with text selection in 10.4 and previously. So what do I do? I
put the codes in manually; move to where you want the code and then put
it in with CTRL-Left Bracket. Then I put the ending code exactly where I
want that. I know, I know; this is the long way round, but hey! it works
for me. I don't use styles because of the very thing you mentioned.

Susie


Susie Stageberg
Project ASSIST with Windows
Iowa Department for the Blind
(515) 281-1351
stageberg.susan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Foxworth, Ann
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:30 AM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5


I'm still in 10.4.  If I remember correctly you found this problem in
10.5.  Sometimes more text is selected than I want and I have to shift
left-arrow.  It's just too fiddly. 


Ann Foxworth, Braille Consultant
Div. for Blind Services
4800 N. Lamar BLVD
Austin, TX 78756
PH: 512-377-0471,
E-mail: ann.foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:23 AM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5

Ann, I fixed my text selection problem; somebody here will have to chime
in, but there was a setting I changed relating to showing the position
of the cursor when the shift key is pressed. I unchecked that box and
life is beautiful again--well, maybe not, but at least JAWS doesn't
jabber at me when I try to select text.

Susie


Susie Stageberg
Project ASSIST with Windows
Iowa Department for the Blind
(515) 281-1351
stageberg.susan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Foxworth, Ann
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:02 AM
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Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5


Because selecting text in DBT is too iffy. 


Ann Foxworth, Braille Consultant
Div. for Blind Services
4800 N. Lamar BLVD
Austin, TX 78756
PH: 512-377-0471,
E-mail: ann.foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Steve Dresser
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:17 AM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5

Ann,

Why not use the List style for bulleted lists?

Steve

On Tuesday 3/1/05 09:37 duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

>My particular situation requires me to emboss a lot of handouts with
>numbered and bulleted lists.  That paragraph style that indents the 
>first line plays havoc with those lists.  Also, due to the fact that 
>the bulk of our brailled documents includes forms, meeting notes, 
>training materials, and everything under the sun except literary 
>reading materials, having a skipped line helps the braille reader to 
>locate the next item more quickly with a scanning finger down the left 
>margin.  If we were doing textbooks or other literary docs like library

>books, etc, I would be happy to have the traditional paragraph of a
>cell three indent.
>
>
>Ann Foxworth, Braille Consultant
>Div. for Blind Services
>4800 N. Lamar BLVD
>Austin, TX 78756
>PH: 512-377-0471,
>E-mail: ann.foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>-----Original Message-----
>From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>[mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:27 AM
>To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5
>
>Hi Ann,
>
>I'm curious to know why you should have to change paragraph Styles to
>include a blank line between then, and begin in cell 1?
>
>I could understand there being a few very exceptional circumstances,
>but both BANA and BAUK recommend no blank line, and beginning the 
>paragraph in cell 3.
>
>I know for sure that if we deviated from the BAUK recommended paragraph

>format here in the UK, we would be inundated with complaints from
>experienced braille readers.
>
>George.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>Foxworth, Ann
> > Sent: 01 March 2005 13:19
> > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5
> >
> > Well, I'm the biggest dummie in the world because, even
>after
> > all the advice you all have given me about how to create
>such
> > a style, I still can not do it in real life.  I wonder why
>
> > there aren't any styles already available in Duxbury to address
> > differing paragraph styles.  I hope that in some future version, the

> > Word importer will either have a
>choice
> > for the ones most commonly used or a "none" setting so
>that
> > we can expect Duxbury to utilize the paragraph style we
>set
> > up in our Word docs.
> >
> >
> > Ann Foxworth, Braille Consultant
> > Div. for Blind Services
> > 4800 N. Lamar BLVD
> > Austin, TX 78756
> > PH: 512-377-0471,
> > E-mail: ann.foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Dave Durber
> > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:22 PM
> > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5
> >
> > Hello Steve, Ann and Listers:
> >
> > While Steve's suggestion is probably the correct solution
>for
> > a document that will contain block paragraphs from
>beginning
> > to end, it is cumbersome if a document is to contain a mixture of
> > standard formatted braille paragraphs and block
>
> > braille paragraphs.
> >
> > The reason for this, is that you would have to remember to
>
> > insert the [svprgn:n] code before each paragraph code or style when
> > you wanted to change from one paragraph type to
>
> > the other, as follows:
> >
> > [svprg0:1]
> >
> > prior to starting block paragraphs, so that all paragraphs
>
> > are blocked to the left margin and have a blank line
>before
> > and after each block paragraph; and
> >
> > [svprg3:0]
> >
> > prior to starting standard formatted paragraphs, where the
>
> > first line of each paragraph is indented to cell 3 and
>there
> > is no blank line before and after each paragraph.
> >
> > The beauty and advantage of creating styles which contain
>the
> > correct codes built into them, is that if you construct
>the
> > style correctly to produce the desired result, you do not have to
> > remember anything else, except apply the correct style at the 
> > appropriate places throughout any document
>where
> > you want those types of styles.
> >
> > This is why when I am preparing documents for
>transcription
> > to braille, I style code documents as much as possible instead of
> > manually coding documents.
> >
> > Some of the advantages of using styles, are as follows: virtually
> > eliminates the mistyping the syntax in codes; minimizes the 
> > possibility of leaving out a code in a
>string
> > of codes; avoids having to search for strings of codes in order to
> > make changes especially if you do not enter a
>string
> > of codes in the same order throughout a document.
> >
> > On the other hand, if you want to change a code or
>parameter
> > within a code that is contained in a style to alter the output, you
> > only have to edit a code or codes contained in
>a
> > style to affect the output globally throughout a document,
>
> > where that style is used.
> >
> > In 1995, I transcribed the "JAWS for DOS" manual".  I manually coded

> > the file from beginning to end.  I took
>nearly
> > four weeks to produce the completed work.  It contained 6 volumes
> > and had approximately 700 sides of braille.
> >
> > Last year, I transcribed "Verbal View of Word Basics". Except for a
> > few codes that needed to be entered manually,
>I
> > used styles 98% of the time to produce the finished book.
>It
> > contains 7 volumes and has 986 sides of braille.  It took
>me
> > 10, 8 hour days to produce the book.
> >
> > The two examples, do not include the proofreading time.
> >
> > Sincerely:
> >
> > Dave Durber
> >
> >
> >
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