I think it's too bad that we have to resort to such old-fashioned methods, and that the styles don't always behave as they ought. On the other hand, I get to play dictator over the land of Braille. Susie Susie Stageberg Project ASSIST with Windows Iowa Department for the Blind (515) 281-1351 stageberg.susan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 1:07 PM To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5 That's what I've been doing all these years. I like putting in my codes so I know where they really are! Ann Foxworth, Braille Consultant Div. for Blind Services 4800 N. Lamar BLVD Austin, TX 78756 PH: 512-377-0471, E-mail: ann.foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Susan Stageberg Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:57 AM To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5 Yes, you're right about the version of Duxbury. And I have had the same problem with text selection in 10.4 and previously. So what do I do? I put the codes in manually; move to where you want the code and then put it in with CTRL-Left Bracket. Then I put the ending code exactly where I want that. I know, I know; this is the long way round, but hey! it works for me. I don't use styles because of the very thing you mentioned. Susie Susie Stageberg Project ASSIST with Windows Iowa Department for the Blind (515) 281-1351 stageberg.susan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Foxworth, Ann Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:30 AM To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5 I'm still in 10.4. If I remember correctly you found this problem in 10.5. Sometimes more text is selected than I want and I have to shift left-arrow. It's just too fiddly. Ann Foxworth, Braille Consultant Div. for Blind Services 4800 N. Lamar BLVD Austin, TX 78756 PH: 512-377-0471, E-mail: ann.foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:23 AM To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5 Ann, I fixed my text selection problem; somebody here will have to chime in, but there was a setting I changed relating to showing the position of the cursor when the shift key is pressed. I unchecked that box and life is beautiful again--well, maybe not, but at least JAWS doesn't jabber at me when I try to select text. Susie Susie Stageberg Project ASSIST with Windows Iowa Department for the Blind (515) 281-1351 stageberg.susan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Foxworth, Ann Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 11:02 AM To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5 Because selecting text in DBT is too iffy. Ann Foxworth, Braille Consultant Div. for Blind Services 4800 N. Lamar BLVD Austin, TX 78756 PH: 512-377-0471, E-mail: ann.foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Dresser Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 10:17 AM To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5 Ann, Why not use the List style for bulleted lists? Steve On Tuesday 3/1/05 09:37 duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: >My particular situation requires me to emboss a lot of handouts with >numbered and bulleted lists. That paragraph style that indents the >first line plays havoc with those lists. Also, due to the fact that >the bulk of our brailled documents includes forms, meeting notes, >training materials, and everything under the sun except literary >reading materials, having a skipped line helps the braille reader to >locate the next item more quickly with a scanning finger down the left >margin. If we were doing textbooks or other literary docs like library >books, etc, I would be happy to have the traditional paragraph of a >cell three indent. > > >Ann Foxworth, Braille Consultant >Div. for Blind Services >4800 N. Lamar BLVD >Austin, TX 78756 >PH: 512-377-0471, >E-mail: ann.foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >-----Original Message----- >From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >[mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > >Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:27 AM >To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5 > >Hi Ann, > >I'm curious to know why you should have to change paragraph Styles to >include a blank line between then, and begin in cell 1? > >I could understand there being a few very exceptional circumstances, >but both BANA and BAUK recommend no blank line, and beginning the >paragraph in cell 3. > >I know for sure that if we deviated from the BAUK recommended paragraph >format here in the UK, we would be inundated with complaints from >experienced braille readers. > >George. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >Foxworth, Ann > > Sent: 01 March 2005 13:19 > > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5 > > > > Well, I'm the biggest dummie in the world because, even >after > > all the advice you all have given me about how to create >such > > a style, I still can not do it in real life. I wonder why > > > there aren't any styles already available in Duxbury to address > > differing paragraph styles. I hope that in some future version, the > > Word importer will either have a >choice > > for the ones most commonly used or a "none" setting so >that > > we can expect Duxbury to utilize the paragraph style we >set > > up in our Word docs. > > > > > > Ann Foxworth, Braille Consultant > > Div. for Blind Services > > 4800 N. Lamar BLVD > > Austin, TX 78756 > > PH: 512-377-0471, > > E-mail: ann.foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- > > From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > On Behalf Of Dave Durber > > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:22 PM > > To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5 > > > > Hello Steve, Ann and Listers: > > > > While Steve's suggestion is probably the correct solution >for > > a document that will contain block paragraphs from >beginning > > to end, it is cumbersome if a document is to contain a mixture of > > standard formatted braille paragraphs and block > > > braille paragraphs. > > > > The reason for this, is that you would have to remember to > > > insert the [svprgn:n] code before each paragraph code or style when > > you wanted to change from one paragraph type to > > > the other, as follows: > > > > [svprg0:1] > > > > prior to starting block paragraphs, so that all paragraphs > > > are blocked to the left margin and have a blank line >before > > and after each block paragraph; and > > > > [svprg3:0] > > > > prior to starting standard formatted paragraphs, where the > > > first line of each paragraph is indented to cell 3 and >there > > is no blank line before and after each paragraph. > > > > The beauty and advantage of creating styles which contain >the > > correct codes built into them, is that if you construct >the > > style correctly to produce the desired result, you do not have to > > remember anything else, except apply the correct style at the > > appropriate places throughout any document >where > > you want those types of styles. > > > > This is why when I am preparing documents for >transcription > > to braille, I style code documents as much as possible instead of > > manually coding documents. > > > > Some of the advantages of using styles, are as follows: virtually > > eliminates the mistyping the syntax in codes; minimizes the > > possibility of leaving out a code in a >string > > of codes; avoids having to search for strings of codes in order to > > make changes especially if you do not enter a >string > > of codes in the same order throughout a document. > > > > On the other hand, if you want to change a code or >parameter > > within a code that is contained in a style to alter the output, you > > only have to edit a code or codes contained in >a > > style to affect the output globally throughout a document, > > > where that style is used. > > > > In 1995, I transcribed the "JAWS for DOS" manual". 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