[duxhelp] Re: printing or embossing to a file!!

  • From: "Jack Maartman" <jmaartman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:04:50 -0700

Hi Peter:

I can actually print to file, using the directives, I specified, eliminating
<ff> <lf>s. I have to rename the file afterwards, but as the output always
retains the same file name, this isn't really a problem.  I use a generic
embosser, with 40 chars per line and 25 lines per page, although with the
absense of form feeds, there really are no pages. I have a custom template
with no page numbers.

I suppose one has to evaluate the need to accomodate clients without an
embosser, as DBT's main function would be overwhelmingly to produce paper
braille. A braille reader who knows ascii can read a braille file with a
speech synthesizer, but this is slow, as I am sure you can imagine.  So
print to file works well for my purposes at the moment.

Jack

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:01 PM
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: printing or embossing to a file!!


> Jack,
>
> It still sounds as though you are looking for a type of "Save As", albeit
> one that we don't support directly.
>
> - Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 3:00 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: printing or embossing to a file!!
>
> Hi Peter:
>
> I regularly save files as .brfs in the local  encoding. This of course
works
> very well.  If I have a generic embosser set up, and have  the settings I
> want for my file in the advanced dialog, I am not sure that this will save
> without <lfs>  Joe suggested that I could eliminate formfeeds in the
global
> search and replace dialog, however I am not sure, that the same would hold
> true for linefeeds.  In my notetaker, where I often edit files, <lfs> are
an
> encumbrance. We usually think of stand alone <crs> as mac format.  in
> NFBTrans, this is done transparently. I realize I am using DBT in an
> unorthodox manner, and that using the print to file, will create the disk
> file with these specs.
>
> Jack
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 11:19 AM
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: printing or embossing to a file!!
>
>
> > Jack,
> >
> > The process that you went through is more complicated than it needs to
be,
> > even as things now stand.  In particular, it is possible to print to a
> file
> > by setting your DBT embosser configuration to print directly to the
file,
> > rather than through a printer driver.  (However, this is not possible in
a
> > few cases, where DBT actually requires a printer driver.)
> >
> > And, yes, we are working to make this simpler for somebody who has no
> > embosser.  But, in the end, that problem cannot be solved perfectly.  A
> true
> > "print-to-file" will be different for different models of embosser.  If
> you
> > have not embosser, and do not specify a particular embosser model, then
> DBT
> > really cannot know what you want done.
> >
> > Chances are that you want to create a ".brf" file, which is essentially
> the
> > same as a "print to file" for a Generic embosser.  You can achieve this
> most
> > simply by selecting "Save As" in the File menu.  Be sure to change the
> file
> > type to "Formatted Braille".  Note, however, that DBT in fact offers you
> two
> > choices.  The first choice encodes using the North American ASCII to
which
> > you are well accustomed.  The other choice will encode your file using
the
> > same set of symbols as is used on-screen, which is controlled through
> > Global, Internationalization.
> >
> > - Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 1:59 PM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] printing or embossing to a file!!
> >
> > Hi all:
> >
> > I am wondering if anyone has been using this feature. It certainly has
an
> > intrinsic value, but the process is inordinately complex, and I am
> wondering
> > if this is something we can address by the time 10.5 hits the shelves.
> >
> > I couldn't have achieved it without some expert help.  The current
> procedure
> > would appear to be as follows.
> >
> > Owning neither printer nor embosser, I had to configure some windows
> printer
> > or other, directing it to print to file, I think I found a generic one.
> >
> > I then had to set up an embosser and give it a name.  This also turns
out
> to
> > be the name of the file I wish to print to.  With this embosser
> highlighted
> > I then send text to it in the usual way.  Being somewhat of a
> megalomaniac,
> > I sent a very large file to the print-to-file,  this took a while, and
of
> > course, there was no prompt for job completion.  The other problem is
the
> > obvious.  The file bares the name of the default configuration, and I
> would
> > have to rename it.  I was hoping to find a dialogue somewhere that would
> > prompt me for a filename, and perhaps some completion message.  The old
> dos
> > command-line utilities, including Duxbury's transf or tranxf give one
such
> a
> > facility, and allow one to know how many pages are printed.  Another
> issue,
> > is whether such a file could include embosser specific codes.
Ultimately
> it
> > might be worthwhile down the road to have something, that in a personal
> > communication George has called PBF, a portable braille format which
would
> > mean that a file could be generated with enough information in it to
> emboss
> > too no matter what embosser.  But I jump ahead of myself, here.  As I
want
> > my file to end with <crs., without <lfs> and no form feeds, at the
moment,
> > it is expedient to take a .brf file, and do these deletions in a
standard
> > text editor. At the moment, for me this means a shell out to dos, with
an
> > external dos screen reader.
> >
> > Any feedback will be valuable, and I won't weep to much if it doesn't
make
> > it into the next release.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
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