[duxhelp] Re: UK Rules & Numbers

  • From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:10:49 -0400

George,

Such a module does provide the obvious answer.  In fact, we had such a thing
a long while ago, for use principally with French braille.

The truth is that its simply not possible to offer a program that always
gets everything right automatically.  We tend to err on the side of doing
little that is automated, allowing users to control the braille quite
directly where possible, and leaving them a lot of "do" for the translator
but relatively little to "undo".

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:08 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: UK Rules & Numbers

Peter,

I fear that one of these days, we are just going to have to face the fact
that users will have to be faced with a parser module, rather like a
spelling and grammar checker.  They are going to hate it!

"This looks a series of telephone numbers.  Do you want to strip them out
according to BANA's or BAUK's rule bla bla?"

"This looks like an e-mail address. Do you wish it to be in Grade 1, or
Computer Braille?  Oh, and BAUK rules say your choice must apply to the
whole document."

"Oops, in your previous answer, you asked for Grade 1, but some of your
e-mail and web addresses include invalid characters for Grade 1 braille such
as underscores.  Shall we start again?"

"Oh yes, and while we are at it, your [sk30] code appears to be invalid for
the length of paper you say you have".

And these committees say that computers should bend to braille rules?

George.

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
Sent: 31 May 2006 18:32
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: UK Rules & Numbers

George,

I put the question about UK rules for spaces "within"
numbers to Joe, and received this response from him:

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I've put consideration of this on my TBD list for the British tables. As you
might guess, it's dangerous to throw out spaces using an automatic process
that doesn't really understand the semantics of the text. We might yet need
another kind of "space" for these things ... 
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So I don't know whether we'll see this fixed for DBT 10.6.
Certainly we're more likely to get things right with regard to rule 6.1.6
than with rule 6.1.7.  The latter seems to be applicable only under
circumstances that may be difficult to detect reliably.

- Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:52 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] UK Rules & Numbers

Peter,
 
"British Braille" Rule 6 - Numbers.
 
Rules 6.1.6 basically says that while telephone numbers may be spaced in
print, the space should be removed in braille and thus for example 01604
792777 is written "#jafjd#gibggg".
 
This is further complicated by Rule 6.1.7 where the space should also
removed in "groups" of letters and numbers, for example "HAM 1597".
 
It appears that 10.5 SR1 resolved the first above, but it broke in SR2 and
is the same in Beta 8.
 
George


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