[duxhelp] Re: Strange file containing brackets

  • From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:05:48 -0400

David,

At this point, I don't expect that there will be substantial further
improvements to how DBT handles mixtures of italicized and non-italicized
text, or italic markings around symbols -- at least not until next time.

I have brought this particular matter to Joe's attention, so he is aware of
it.  Generally, we don't assign translation problems reference numbers, but
simply keep a note of them with each language translation table project.

Best Regards,

Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of David Spybey
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:06 AM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Strange file containing brackets


Peter

Most of the material that I prepare starts off as a print file for our
partially sighted pupils and it is usually in large print and bold. I
sometimes forget unbold the whole document before translating it hence the
bold version of the file I got the strange results with. As a rule I would
expect all the bold and other unnecessary emphasis marking to be removed as
it is not helpful to the Braille reader.

In the file I sent I can see that the capital A is in italics but I would
still not expect to get what is happening but rather

7.,a7

Whilst I might prefer it to have no italic sign at all I would not expect
DBT to understand my preference if I am perverse enough to ask it to
translate a file that I have provided with italics in it!

There is clearly something peculiar about the files I sent but I cannot see
what it is. 

David Spybey


-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
Sent: 08 May 2006 19:36
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: handing of numbered lists in documents

David,

Thanks for sending the .tex files (off-list).  As you mentioned, these

aren't really necessary to my analysis, because the problem shows up also

(or perhaps exclusively) when importing from Word.

I'm now puzzled about what you want in the translation in this case.  You

mention that you would expect (A) to be: 7;,a7

Does that mean that you expect emphasis markings to be ignored in this case?

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----

From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On

Behalf Of David Spybey

Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 4:34 AM

To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: [duxhelp] Re: handing of numbered lists in documents

Peter

The file that caused the problem is attached. However I need to amend what I

have said slightly.

I used Word2Tex, as I usually do, to change the file into a .tex file that

SN will read. I did not check the SN file before using DBT and got the

result I mentioned. Looking more closely at the WORD original the A was

italic not the closing bracket. In SN this came out as the opening bracket

in text the A and the closing bracket in Math and hence the result I got in

DBT. I should have spotted this fact so apologies for giving a false

impression of the problem.

I was going into SN because of all the mathematics that was in the WORD file

in MathType and the route I follow gets that into reasonable braille

mathematics. However, if you ignore the mathematics issues and just got

straight into DBT from the files I have attached the The results of going

straight into DBT 

The version with (A) in bold gives 

7..,a.'.17.'

And the version witgh (A) in non bold gives 

.7.,a.17.'

Whereas I would expect (A) to be

7;,a7

as happens in other files. So there must be something rather peculiar about

the two WORD files that I have attached. I have looked at them but cannot

see what would cause such peculiar results.

David





-----Original Message-----

From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On

Behalf Of Peter Sullivan

Sent: 04 May 2006 16:56

To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: [duxhelp] Re: handing of numbered lists in documents

David,

Do you have a sample file in the format from which you started (e.g. Word,

Scientific Notebook, text, or HTML)?

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----

From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On

Behalf Of David Spybey

Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 3:02 AM

To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: [duxhelp] Re: handing of numbered lists in documents

Peter

It is strange how mistakes show up errors!

I have just had

(A)

translated as

7,a>

rather than 7,a7

I could not understand why until I realised that the closing bracket was in

italics by mistake. However I am not sure why DBT translated this as it did.

David Spybey

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