Hi Peter: This clarifies a great deal. I get the odd file from Europe, brailled in an an alternate encoding, and have to do a complex set of search and replaces, if I want to read it in my notetaker. I had hoped one could save a file in a different encoding using DBT, without having to do this manually, or be tied to a computer with a braille display. What worries me about all the different braille computer tables, is the sharing of data across platforms. It's a bit like having multiple charsets, and striving for some process like unicode. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:08 AM Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Request for input on DBT installation > Jack, > > Internationalization is indeed for display purposes only. (OK, it does > affect one other thing -- it affects what encoding we use when you select to > save a document as formatted braille using "local encoding".) > > One changes the codepage used to drive an embosser by using the the "Edit" > button in the Embosser Setup dialog. Then go to the "Device Settings" tab > (the second of three tabs). Choose a new value for the "Output Encoding" > setting. We don't support alternate encodings for every device, but do for > the most common devices where this is even applicable. Moreover, in > situations where we've neglected a possible setting that is supported for > any given device, we can work with end users to make that setting available. > It's just a matter of editing one or two text files. > > - Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Jack Maartman > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:34 AM > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Request for input on DBT installation > > Thanks Peter: > > However I am still a bit confused. I am almost certain, that the default > configuration is supposed to be North American Ascii. At least I think it > says so in the documentation. I thought the internationalization dialog was > for display purposes only. If you can clarify this for me It would kill > more than a few birds with one stone. > > Thanks > > Jack > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:32 AM > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Request for input on DBT installation > > > > Jack, > > > > By way of correction, embossing is by no means limited to the North > American > > table. DBT is adatable to any table that can express all 64 braille > cells. > > Moreover, it uses a different table by default for some embossers. > > > > We do this because some people use their embossers with other software > which > > isn't as flexible. We like to support use of the embosser without > requiring > > the end user to reconfigure it when switching software. > > > > - Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:01 PM > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Request for input on DBT installation > > > > Hi All: > > > > DBT defaults to North American by default. The display under the > > international dialogue is only a display. No matter what, everything still > > has to emboss using the North American table. When you use the country > > specific tables, they still refer to the North American ascii/unicode > > equivalents. The problem here is that the actual braille characters' ascii > > values change, using North American as the default. The fault lies with > > embosser manufacturers, who should design their tables in such a way that > > the braille patterns are reassigned to conform to the country for which > the > > table is needed. There is simply nothing Joe can do about this. > > > > I can't load DBT right now, but I am sure there is an uncontracted Italian > > braille table. Enabling technologies should have the Italian > configuration > > you need. If not, Brltty, the Linux engine that drives a braille display > > should have one. As I write this, I have found one, which I attached. a > > table for Window-eyes but it is a text file, even though the extension is > > .bwe > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Cheers > > > > Jack > > :. > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Jack > > - > > From: "David Holladay" <david@xxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 1:00 PM > > Subject: [duxhelp] Request for input on DBT installation > > > > > > > Hello, Testers; > > > > > > I need you opinion on an issue regarding what happens when DBT boots > > > up > > for > > > the first time. > > > > > > This involves the Global, Internationalization, Braille Code for > > > Display > > > > > > Some background is necessary here. > > > > > > In DBT, if you are looking at a braille file in braille dot font, you > > > see the actual dot pattern that will hopefully be embossed. If you are > > > looking at a braille file with an inkprint font, things get more > > interesting. > > > > > > In North America, we are used to seeing a full cell represented with > > > an equal sign. Why? Because that is the way we do it, and all braille > > > devices set for North American braille know that an equal sign means a > > full cell. > > > If you are using a braille display device with a screen review > > > program, > > the > > > screen review program looks at the equal sign on the screen and puts a > > full > > > cell on the braille display. > > > > > > But in France, they prefer an accented e as the print representation > > > of a full cell. > > > > > > DBT has several different tables. If you want to, you can experiment > > > with them by selecting Global, Internationalization, Braille Code for > > Display. > > > Be sure to have a braille file, and select an inkprint font to view it > > > (otherwise, nothing changes). > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > > > Where things get interesting is that the French do not like the system > > > as it is. Up till now, when you first boot up DBT, it defaults to > > > North American. This does not bother Americans at all. > > > But it is annoying to those who give tech support in France who have > > > to keep telling people to go to Global, Internationalization, Braille > > > Code > > for > > > Display, and then choose "French" > > > > > > To deal with this, Pete has put in some code that says "If this is the > > > first time this code is being used, and you are in France", set for > > > French Braille Code for display. > > > > > > That is all well and good. But if someone were using a computer 100 > > > meters into Belgium, (and had told Windows that their nation was > > > Belgium), then DBT would still default to North American because the > > > nation is not > > French. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > I think it would be a good idea to extend Peter's idea. I offer a > > proposal. > > > If we can come to some agreement, then DBT can wake up more > > > internationalized than before. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > > Step 1: > > > > > > If located in France, use French display code If located in Germany, > > > use German display code If located in Spain, use Spanish display code > > > If located in the UK, use the British display code > > > > > > Step 2: > > > > > > If located in Europe (i.e. the nation's telephone country code starts > > > with > > > 3 or 4) > > > and the language of interface is French, the use French display code > > > and the language of interface is German, use the German display code > > > and the language of interface is Spanish, use the Spanish display > > > code ?? if the language of interface is English, do we use North > > > American or Britich display code (the question is, does nayone outside > > > of the UK ever use the British display code) > > > > > > Step 3: > > > If located outside of Europe ... > > > (I have no idea of anything but to default to North American) (I do > > > not know if those in South America use North American settings or > > > Spanish settings on their braille devices) > > > > > > Some of you may have noticed that DBT does not have any Italian tables > > > for braille display. At this point, I do not have a valid table > > > (defined as a unique, single ASCII character for every > > > 64 braille symbols; no braille symbols left out). > > > I would welcome a valid Italian table. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---- > > - > > > > > > Please respond to this. I would like to work this out quickly. > > > > > > -- David Holladay > > > > > > > > > * * * > > > * This message is via list duxhelp at freelists.org. > > > * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with > > > * unsubscribe > > > * as the subject to <duxhelp-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also > > > * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription > > > * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. 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