[duxhelp] Re: Request for input on DBT installation

  • From: "Jack Maartman" <jmaartman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:33:38 -0700

Hi Peter:

This clarifies a great deal.  I get the odd file from Europe, brailled in an
an alternate encoding, and have to do a complex set of  search and replaces,
if I want to read it in my notetaker.  I had hoped one could save a file in
a different encoding using DBT, without having to do this manually, or be
tied to a computer with a braille display. What worries me about all the
different braille computer tables, is the sharing of data across platforms.
It's a bit like having multiple charsets, and striving for some process like
unicode.

Jack

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:08 AM
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Request for input on DBT installation


> Jack,
>
> Internationalization is indeed for display purposes only.  (OK, it does
> affect one other thing -- it affects what encoding we use when you select
to
> save a document as formatted braille using "local encoding".)
>
> One changes the codepage used to drive an embosser by using the the "Edit"
> button in the Embosser Setup dialog.  Then go to the "Device Settings" tab
> (the second of three tabs).  Choose a new value for the "Output Encoding"
> setting.  We don't support alternate encodings for every device, but do
for
> the most common devices where this is even applicable.  Moreover, in
> situations where we've neglected a possible setting that is supported for
> any given device, we can work with end users to make that setting
available.
> It's just a matter of editing one or two text files.
>
> - Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:34 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Request for input on DBT installation
>
> Thanks Peter:
>
> However I am still a bit confused. I am almost certain, that the default
> configuration is supposed to be North American Ascii. At least I think it
> says so in the documentation.  I thought the internationalization dialog
was
> for display purposes only.  If you can clarify this for me It would kill
> more than a few birds with one stone.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jack
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:32 AM
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Request for input on DBT installation
>
>
> > Jack,
> >
> > By way of correction, embossing is by no means limited to the North
> American
> > table.  DBT is adatable to any table that can express all 64 braille
> cells.
> > Moreover, it uses a different table by default for some embossers.
> >
> > We do this because some people use their embossers with other software
> which
> > isn't as flexible.  We like to support use of the embosser without
> requiring
> > the end user to reconfigure it when switching software.
> >
> > - Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:01 PM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Request for input on DBT installation
> >
> > Hi All:
> >
> > DBT defaults to North American by default. The display under the
> > international dialogue is only a display. No matter what, everything
still
> > has to emboss using the North American table. When you use the country
> > specific tables, they still refer to the North American ascii/unicode
> > equivalents. The problem here is that the actual braille characters'
ascii
> > values change, using North American as the default. The fault lies with
> > embosser manufacturers, who should design their tables in such a way
that
> > the braille patterns are reassigned to conform to the country for which
> the
> > table is needed.  There is simply nothing Joe can do about this.
> >
> > I can't load DBT right now, but I am sure there is an uncontracted
Italian
> > braille table.  Enabling technologies should have the Italian
> configuration
> > you need. If not, Brltty, the Linux engine that drives a braille display
> > should have one. As I write this, I have found one, which I attached. a
> > table for Window-eyes but it is a text file, even though the extension
is
> > .bwe
> > ----- Original Message ----
> >
> > Hope this helps
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Jack
> > :.
> >
> > Hope this helps
> >
> > Jack
> > -
> > From: "David Holladay" <david@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 1:00 PM
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Request for input on DBT installation
> >
> >
> > > Hello, Testers;
> > >
> > > I need you opinion on an issue regarding what happens when DBT boots
> > > up
> > for
> > > the first time.
> > >
> > > This involves the Global, Internationalization, Braille Code for
> > > Display
> > >
> > > Some background is necessary here.
> > >
> > > In DBT, if you are looking at a braille file in braille dot font, you
> > > see the actual dot pattern that will hopefully be embossed. If you are
> > > looking at a braille file with an inkprint font, things get more
> > interesting.
> > >
> > > In North America, we are used to seeing a full cell represented with
> > > an equal sign. Why? Because that is the way we do it, and all braille
> > > devices set for North American braille know that an equal sign means a
> > full cell.
> > > If you are using a braille display device with a screen review
> > > program,
> > the
> > > screen review program looks at the equal sign on the screen and puts a
> > full
> > > cell on the braille display.
> > >
> > > But in France, they prefer an accented e as the print representation
> > > of a full cell.
> > >
> > > DBT has several different tables. If you want to, you can experiment
> > > with them by selecting Global, Internationalization, Braille Code for
> > Display.
> > > Be sure to have a braille file, and select an inkprint font to view it
> > > (otherwise, nothing changes).
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Where things get interesting is that the French do not like the system
> > > as it is. Up till now, when you first boot up DBT, it defaults to
> > > North American. This does not bother Americans at all.
> > > But it is annoying to those who give tech support in France who have
> > > to keep telling people to go to Global, Internationalization, Braille
> > > Code
> > for
> > > Display, and then choose "French"
> > >
> > > To deal with this, Pete has put in some code that says "If this is the
> > > first time this code is being used, and you are in France", set for
> > > French Braille Code for display.
> > >
> > > That is all well and good. But if someone were using a computer 100
> > > meters into Belgium, (and had told Windows that their nation was
> > > Belgium), then DBT would still default to North American because the
> > > nation is not
> > French.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------
> > >
> > > I think it would be a good idea to extend Peter's idea. I offer a
> > proposal.
> > > If we can come to some agreement, then DBT can wake up more
> > > internationalized than before.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Step 1:
> > >
> > > If located in France, use French display code If located in Germany,
> > > use German display code If located in Spain, use Spanish display code
> > > If located in the UK, use the British display code
> > >
> > > Step 2:
> > >
> > > If located in Europe (i.e. the nation's telephone country code starts
> > > with
> > > 3 or 4)
> > >   and the language of interface is French, the use French display code
> > >   and the language of interface is German, use the German display code
> > >   and the language of interface is Spanish, use the Spanish display
> > > code ?? if the language of interface is English, do we use North
> > > American or Britich display code (the question is, does nayone outside
> > > of the UK ever use the British display code)
> > >
> > > Step 3:
> > > If located outside of Europe ...
> > > (I have no idea of anything but to default to North American) (I do
> > > not know if those in South America use North American settings or
> > > Spanish settings on their braille devices)
> > >
> > > Some of you may have noticed that DBT does not have any Italian tables
> > > for braille display. At this point, I do not have a valid table
> > > (defined as a unique, single ASCII character for every
> > > 64 braille symbols; no braille symbols left out).
> > > I would welcome a valid Italian table.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ----
> > -
> > >
> > > Please respond to this. I would like to work this out quickly.
> > >
> > > -- David Holladay
> > >
> > >
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