Bill, Don may also be able to help replicate the problem and distill some step-by-step instructions. If you do find the problem, and need some help from the DBT team to get it resolved, we'll be here. - Peter -----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Herzler Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:41 PM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to next and previous page" Jack, Can you be more specific as to your problems with DBT and Window-Eyes? You say that we can't read the entire line and that you can't read a whole document using Window-eyes. I am not having that problem here after translating section 1 of the Window-eyes manual. I am using an alva satelite with Window-Eyes 4.5 sp3 under Windows XP. The document shows on the braille display here. Since I am not totally femilar with all the different things you can do in Duxbury as others are on this list, what I need from you and anyone else seeing this, is exact step by step instructions key strokes etc. and a document that you are having problems with reading. Please leave nothing out and I will attempt to duplicate and see if we can solve the problmes you are having asap. Thanks. Regards, Bill At 12:05 PM 7/22/2004, Jack Maartman wrote: >It certainly does. I am still trying to coax DBT to print to file, so I >can start replicating the bahaviour on a device that only displays one >line at a time. > >Another thing I'd like to add, but off thread, is that DBT is >performing very poorly with Window-eyes. I spoke to Don about this, and >the problem would seem to rest with Window-eyes, and not DBT. >Window-eyes will not read a complete line, and certainly can't be used >to read a document. I can however, read any file when any translation >table is in effect using a screen reader without a braille display, >although it's a bit slow. I'd like to see this resolved for the new >release, and will certainly contact GWMicro, if you find this useful. >I'd like to be very clear about the problem, so I can be as succinct as possible. > >Jack > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> >To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:47 AM >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to next >and previous page" > > > > Jack, > > > > As I read your first question, I can read it one of two ways. I'll > > answer it each way. > > > > When reading "Formatted Braille" files, DBT counts lines up to a > > certain maximum value. The maximum is set in the "Global, Formatted > > Braille Importer" dialog. However, if the checkbox "Preserve > > formatting..." in >that > > dialog is checked, then the maximum line count is taken from the > > page >setup > > of the dialog being created. That is, it is taken from the template > > or, >if > > the template is one we distribute, from your Global, Embosser Setup. > > DBT determines that there is a page break in the "Formatted Braille" > > file when that maximum line count is reached, or when it reads a formfeed. > > > > When formatting documents on-screen and for printing or embossing, > > DBT counts lines as it places text on the page. When the number of > > lines that your page should contain is reached, it goes to a new > > page. It may go to >a > > new page without filling all the lines if some number of lines are > > to be kept together insofar as possible. This is indicated with the > > [kps] and [kpe] commands. Moreover, DBT may use the last line of > > each page for a running footer. > > > > Your second question is an interesting one. I believe that DBT does > > a >good > > job of reformatting documents for different embossers. And we > > certainly believe that, in every case, the on-screen document will > > match what you >get > > from your embosser. Exceptions to this typically occur when your > > embosser is configured one way, but you tell DBT that it is > > configured a different way. > > > > I hope this answers your questions. > > > > - Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >On > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:45 PM > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to > > next and previous page" > > > > Hi: > > > > How does DBT calculate pages, does it count form-feeds, or lines? > > Does it mean that if you format a file for two different embossers, > > it can count acurately? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dave Durber" <dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:25 AM > > Subject: [duxhelp] Problems with the "go to page" and "go to next > > and previous page" > > > > > > > I have two questions as follows: > > > > > > When you press <CTRL+G> to go to a specific page, the program will > > > often come up with a message telling you that you cannot go to > > > that location. However, when you press the <ENTER> key, you will > > > invariably find yourself at the location you requested regardless > > > of the previous message. > > > > > > I think that DBT comes up with that message because it cannot > > > calculate accurately enough, for example, where the top-of-the > > > page is on certain pages. > > > > > > A good idea might be to use the same or similar system that > > > WordPerfect used, that is: > > > > > > [spg], which stood for "soft page break". This code indicated > > > when a page was filled up and a new page began. You would see > > > this code when paragraphs, list and outline items spread across > > > page boundaries from one page to another. > > > > > > [hpg], which stood for "hard page break". This code was used when > > > you wanted to end the current page and start a new page. > > > > > > Now, if DBT used such a system, then the go to page function could > > > search for the [spg] or [hpg] codes, calculate the number of codes > > > to reach that location and place you at the top of that page that > > > you requested. > > > > > > This brings me onto another function, that is the <CTRL+PGDN> "go > > > to next page" and the <CTRL+PGUP> "go to previous page commands, > > > which at present do not work as they really should. > > > > > > Although these keystrokes do move the cursor to the next and > > > previous page, in my experience they do not move the cursor to the > > > top of the page by default, which should be the case. > > > > > > Example: If you have a braille file on-screen that contains 50 > > > pages of text and the cursor is on "page15 line5 column1, you > > > press <CTRL+PGDN> to go to top of page 16, the status line should > > > say > > > "page16 line1 column1", logically, this is where the cursor should > > > be located but, in my experience when you read the status line it > > > actually reads "page16 line5 column1", which is the same line and > > > column positions as the previous page. This might vary depending > > > on format codes and styles that might be in effect at that > > > location in the file which might force DBT to place the cursor as > > > near to "column1" on "page16 line5" as possible. > > > > > > Likewise, if you want to move the cursor from its current location > > > which is "page 16 line5 column1" an move it to the top of page 15 > > > You should have to press <CTRL+PGUP> once to move the cursor to > > > the top of "page 16 line1 column1", which is the top of the > > > current page and then press the <CTRL+PGUP> again to move the > > > cursor to the top of the previous page which is "page15 line1 column1". > > > > > > >From my experience this is not the case. If the cursor is on > > > >"page16 > > > line1 column1" and you press <CTRL+PGUP> the cursor moves to the > > > previous page with the same line and column location, that is > > > "line5 column1", depending on the format or style codes that might > > > be in effect at that location in the file which might force DBT to > > > place the cursor as near to "column1" "page15 line5" as possible. > > > > > > Like the "go to" command if DBT used codes such as [spg] and [hpg] > > > to indicate hard and soft page breaks, Dbt could search for these > > > codes to accurately place the cursor at the top of the next and > > > previous page when the <CTRL+PGDN> and <CTRL+PGUP> key combinations are used. > > > > > > Sincerely: > > > > > > Dave Durber > > > > > > * * * > > > * This message is via list duxhelp at freelists.org. > > > * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with > > > * unsubscribe > > > * as the subject to <duxhelp-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. 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