[duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to next and previous page"

  • From: Bill Herzler <billh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:41:00 -0500

Jack,

Can you be more specific as to your problems with DBT and Window-Eyes?

You say that we can't read the entire line and that you can't read a whole document using Window-eyes. I am not having that problem here after translating section 1 of the Window-eyes manual.
I am using an alva satelite with Window-Eyes 4.5 sp3 under Windows XP.
The document shows on the braille display here.


Since I am not totally femilar with all the different things you can do in Duxbury as others are on this list, what I need from you and anyone else seeing this, is exact step by step instructions key strokes etc. and a document that you are having problems with reading.
Please leave nothing out and I will attempt to duplicate and see if we can solve the problmes you are having asap.


Thanks.

Regards, Bill

At 12:05 PM 7/22/2004, Jack Maartman wrote:
It certainly does. I am still trying to coax DBT to print to file, so I can
start replicating  the bahaviour on a device that only displays one line at
a time.

Another thing I'd like to add, but off thread, is that DBT is performing
very poorly with Window-eyes. I spoke to Don about this, and the problem
would seem to rest with Window-eyes, and not DBT.  Window-eyes will not read
a complete line, and certainly can't be used to read a document. I can
however, read any file when any translation table is in effect using a
screen reader without a braille display, although it's a bit slow. I'd like
to see this resolved for the new release, and will certainly contact
GWMicro, if you find this useful. I'd  like to be very clear about the
problem, so I can be as succinct as possible.

Jack

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:47 AM
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to next and
previous page"


> Jack, > > As I read your first question, I can read it one of two ways. I'll answer > it each way. > > When reading "Formatted Braille" files, DBT counts lines up to a certain > maximum value. The maximum is set in the "Global, Formatted Braille > Importer" dialog. However, if the checkbox "Preserve formatting..." in that > dialog is checked, then the maximum line count is taken from the page setup > of the dialog being created. That is, it is taken from the template or, if > the template is one we distribute, from your Global, Embosser Setup. DBT > determines that there is a page break in the "Formatted Braille" file when > that maximum line count is reached, or when it reads a formfeed. > > When formatting documents on-screen and for printing or embossing, DBT > counts lines as it places text on the page. When the number of lines that > your page should contain is reached, it goes to a new page. It may go to a > new page without filling all the lines if some number of lines are to be > kept together insofar as possible. This is indicated with the [kps] and > [kpe] commands. Moreover, DBT may use the last line of each page for a > running footer. > > Your second question is an interesting one. I believe that DBT does a good > job of reformatting documents for different embossers. And we certainly > believe that, in every case, the on-screen document will match what you get > from your embosser. Exceptions to this typically occur when your embosser > is configured one way, but you tell DBT that it is configured a different > way. > > I hope this answers your questions. > > - Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Jack Maartman > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:45 PM > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to next and > previous page" > > Hi: > > How does DBT calculate pages, does it count form-feeds, or lines? Does it > mean that if you format a file for two different embossers, it can count > acurately? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Durber" <dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:25 AM > Subject: [duxhelp] Problems with the "go to page" and "go to next and > previous page" > > > > I have two questions as follows: > > > > When you press <CTRL+G> to go to a specific page, the program will > > often come up with a message telling you that you cannot go to that > > location. However, when you press the <ENTER> key, you will > > invariably find yourself at the location you requested regardless of > > the previous message. > > > > I think that DBT comes up with that message because it cannot > > calculate accurately enough, for example, where the top-of-the page is > > on certain pages. > > > > A good idea might be to use the same or similar system that > > WordPerfect used, that is: > > > > [spg], which stood for "soft page break". This code indicated when a > > page was filled up and a new page began. You would see this code when > > paragraphs, list and outline items spread across page boundaries from > > one page to another. > > > > [hpg], which stood for "hard page break". This code was used when you > > wanted to end the current page and start a new page. > > > > Now, if DBT used such a system, then the go to page function could > > search for the [spg] or [hpg] codes, calculate the number of codes to > > reach that location and place you at the top of that page that you > > requested. > > > > This brings me onto another function, that is the <CTRL+PGDN> "go to > > next page" and the <CTRL+PGUP> "go to previous page commands, which at > > present do not work as they really should. > > > > Although these keystrokes do move the cursor to the next and previous > > page, in my experience they do not move the cursor to the top of the > > page by default, which should be the case. > > > > Example: If you have a braille file on-screen that contains 50 pages > > of text and the cursor is on "page15 line5 column1, you press > > <CTRL+PGDN> to go to top of page 16, the status line should say > > "page16 line1 column1", logically, this is where the cursor should be > > located but, in my experience when you read the status line it > > actually reads "page16 line5 column1", which is the same line and > > column positions as the previous page. This might vary depending on > > format codes and styles that might be in effect at that location in > > the file which might force DBT to place the cursor as near to > > "column1" on "page16 line5" as possible. > > > > Likewise, if you want to move the cursor from its current location > > which is "page 16 line5 column1" an move it to the top of page 15 You > > should have to press <CTRL+PGUP> once to move the cursor to the top of > > "page 16 line1 column1", which is the top of the current page and then > > press the <CTRL+PGUP> again to move the cursor to the top of the > > previous page which is "page15 line1 column1". > > > > >From my experience this is not the case. If the cursor is on "page16 > > line1 column1" and you press <CTRL+PGUP> the cursor moves to the > > previous page with the same line and column location, that is "line5 > > column1", depending on the format or style codes that might be in > > effect at that location in the file which might force DBT to place the > > cursor as near to "column1" "page15 line5" as possible. > > > > Like the "go to" command if DBT used codes such as [spg] and [hpg] to > > indicate hard and soft page breaks, Dbt could search for these codes > > to accurately place the cursor at the top of the next and previous > > page when the <CTRL+PGDN> and <CTRL+PGUP> key combinations are used. > > > > Sincerely: > > > > Dave Durber > > > > * * * > > * This message is via list duxhelp at freelists.org. > > * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with > > * unsubscribe > > * as the subject to <duxhelp-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. 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