[duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to next and previous page"

  • From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:30:49 -0400

Bill,

If you do not manage to replicate it, then I suggest that this really is
evidence that we're tangling WindowEyes up on some systems with that
architectural issue I alluded to earlier.

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Bill Herzler
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 4:09 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: jmaartman@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to next and
previous page"

Please send me a file you are having trouble reading and then lets try to
set up a time where you can call to go over this.

I don't have a problem reading a file sutch as our manual and in order to
duplicate this here I want to have us with the same file and doing the same
steps to see what I get here.

The file should be sent to
billh@xxxxxxxxxxx,
and the phone number is
260/489-3671

regards, Bill

At 02:59 PM 7/23/2004, you wrote:
>Hi Bill:
>
>When I wrote to you yesterday, I was too tired to elucidate my main
problem.
>This is that, Window-eyes will not read a print file correctly.  
>However, I don't want to rule out the possibility, that this is 
>something unique to my system, and may well have nothing to do with 
>Window-Eyes.  The concept I haven't fully grasped, is the offset when
assigning window co-ordinates.
>Window-eyes works very well for me when reading a braillle file with a 
>braille display.
>
>Cheers
>
>Jack
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Herzler" <billh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 12:36 PM
>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to next 
>and previous page"
>
>
> > Peter,
> >
> > Thanks. I appreciate that.  I spoke with him yesterday and we are 
> > going to try and get a list together so we can perhaps narrow something
down.
> >
> > We do have an issue where alt-s isn't reading the status line.  it 
> > says
>ine
> > olumn instead of line, and column for example.  We aren't sure what 
> > is causing this osm corruption but we are still looking in to it.
> >
> > Regards, Bill
> >
> > At 05:41 PM 7/22/2004, you wrote:
> > >Bill,
> > >
> > >Don may also be able to help replicate the problem and distill some 
> > >step-by-step instructions.
> > >
> > >If you do find the problem, and need some help from the DBT team to 
> > >get
>it
> > >resolved, we'll be here.
> > >
> > >- Peter
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > >[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On
> > >Behalf Of Bill Herzler
> > >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:41 PM
> > >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to 
> > >next and previous page"
> > >
> > >Jack,
> > >
> > >Can you be more specific as to your problems with DBT and Window-Eyes?
> > >
> > >You say that we can't read the entire line and that you can't read 
> > >a
>whole
> > >document using Window-eyes.  I am not having that problem here 
> > >after translating section 1 of the Window-eyes manual.
> > >I am using an alva satelite with Window-Eyes 4.5 sp3 under Windows XP.
> > >The document shows on the braille display here.
> > >
> > >Since I am not totally femilar with all the different things you 
> > >can do
>in
> > >Duxbury as others are on this list, what I need from you and anyone 
> > >else seeing this, is exact step by step instructions key strokes 
> > >etc. and a document that you are having problems with reading.
> > >Please leave nothing out and I will attempt to duplicate and see if 
> > >we
>can
> > >solve the problmes you are having asap.
> > >
> > >Thanks.
> > >
> > >Regards, Bill
> > >
> > >At 12:05 PM 7/22/2004, Jack Maartman wrote:
> > > >It certainly does. I am still trying to coax DBT to print to 
> > > >file, so I can start replicating  the bahaviour on a device that 
> > > >only displays one line at a time.
> > > >
> > > >Another thing I'd like to add, but off thread, is that DBT is 
> > > >performing very poorly with Window-eyes. I spoke to Don about 
> > > >this, and the problem would seem to rest with Window-eyes, and not
DBT.
> > > >Window-eyes will not read a complete line, and certainly can't be 
> > > >used to read a document. I can however, read any file when any 
> > > >translation table is in effect using a screen reader without a 
> > > >braille display, although it's a bit slow. I'd like to see this 
> > > >resolved for the new release, and will certainly contact GWMicro, if
you find this useful.
> > > >I'd  like to be very clear about the problem, so I can be as 
> > > >succinct
>as
> > >possible.
> > > >
> > > >Jack
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:47 AM
> > > >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to 
> > > >next and previous page"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Jack,
> > > > >
> > > > > As I read your first question, I can read it one of two ways.  
> > > > > I'll answer it each way.
> > > > >
> > > > > When reading "Formatted Braille" files, DBT counts lines up to 
> > > > > a certain maximum value.  The maximum is set in the "Global, 
> > > > > Formatted Braille Importer" dialog.  However, if the checkbox 
> > > > > "Preserve formatting..." in
> > > >that
> > > > > dialog is checked, then the maximum line count is taken from 
> > > > > the page
> > > >setup
> > > > > of the dialog being created.  That is, it is taken from the 
> > > > > template or,
> > > >if
> > > > > the template is one we distribute, from your Global, Embosser
Setup.
> > > > > DBT determines that there is a page break in the "Formatted
Braille"
> > > > > file when that maximum line count is reached, or when it reads 
> > > > > a
> > >formfeed.
> > > > >
> > > > > When formatting documents on-screen and for printing or 
> > > > > embossing, DBT counts lines as it places text on the page.  
> > > > > When the number of lines that your page should contain is 
> > > > > reached, it goes to a new page.  It may go to
> > > >a
> > > > > new page without filling all the lines if some number of lines 
> > > > > are to be kept together insofar as possible.  This is 
> > > > > indicated with the [kps] and [kpe] commands.  Moreover, DBT 
> > > > > may use the last line of each page for a running footer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your second question is an interesting one.  I believe that 
> > > > > DBT does a
> > > >good
> > > > > job of reformatting documents for different embossers.  And we 
> > > > > certainly believe that, in every case, the on-screen document 
> > > > > will match what you
> > > >get
> > > > > from your embosser.  Exceptions to this typically occur when 
> > > > > your embosser is configured one way, but you tell DBT that it 
> > > > > is configured a different way.
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope this answers your questions.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Peter
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > >On
> > > > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:45 PM
> > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go 
> > > > > to next and previous page"
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi:
> > > > >
> > > > > How does DBT calculate pages, does it count form-feeds, or lines?
> > > > > Does it mean that if you format a file for two different 
> > > > > embossers, it can count acurately?
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Dave Durber" <dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:25 AM
> > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Problems with the "go to page" and "go to 
> > > > > next and previous page"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have two questions as follows:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When you press <CTRL+G> to go to a specific page, the 
> > > > > > program will often come up with a message telling you that 
> > > > > > you cannot go to that location.  However, when you press the 
> > > > > > <ENTER> key, you will invariably find yourself at the 
> > > > > > location you requested regardless of the previous message.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think that DBT comes up with that message because it 
> > > > > > cannot calculate accurately enough, for example, where the 
> > > > > > top-of-the page is on certain pages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A good idea might be to use the same or similar system that 
> > > > > > WordPerfect used, that is:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [spg], which stood for "soft page break".  This code 
> > > > > > indicated when a page was filled up and a new page began.  
> > > > > > You would see this code when paragraphs, list and outline 
> > > > > > items spread across page boundaries from one page to another.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [hpg], which stood for "hard page break".  This code was 
> > > > > > used when you wanted to end the current page and start a new
page.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now, if DBT used such a system, then the go to page function 
> > > > > > could search for the [spg] or [hpg] codes, calculate the 
> > > > > > number of codes to reach that location and place you at the 
> > > > > > top of that page that you requested.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This brings me onto another function, that is the 
> > > > > > <CTRL+PGDN> "go to next page" and the <CTRL+PGUP> "go to 
> > > > > > previous page commands, which at present do not work as they
really should.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Although these keystrokes do move the cursor to the next and 
> > > > > > previous page, in my experience they do not move the cursor 
> > > > > > to the top of the page by default, which should be the case.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Example:  If you have a braille file on-screen that contains 
> > > > > > 50 pages of text and the cursor is on "page15 line5 column1, 
> > > > > > you press <CTRL+PGDN> to go to top of page 16, the status 
> > > > > > line should say
> > > > > > "page16 line1 column1", logically, this is where the cursor 
> > > > > > should be located but, in my experience when you read the 
> > > > > > status line it actually reads "page16 line5 column1", which 
> > > > > > is the same line and column positions as the previous page.  
> > > > > > This might vary depending on format codes and styles that 
> > > > > > might be in effect at that location in the file which might 
> > > > > > force DBT to place the cursor as near to "column1" on "page16
line5" as possible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Likewise, if you want to move the cursor from its current 
> > > > > > location which is "page 16 line5 column1" an move it to the 
> > > > > > top of page 15 You should have to press <CTRL+PGUP> once to 
> > > > > > move the cursor to the top of "page 16 line1 column1", which 
> > > > > > is the top of the current page and then press the 
> > > > > > <CTRL+PGUP> again to move the cursor to the top of the 
> > > > > > previous page which is "page15 line1
> > >column1".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From my experience this is not the case.  If the cursor is 
> > > > > > >on
> > > > > > >"page16
> > > > > > line1 column1" and you press <CTRL+PGUP> the cursor moves to 
> > > > > > the previous page with the same line and column location, 
> > > > > > that is
> > > > > > "line5 column1", depending on the format or style codes that 
> > > > > > might be in effect at that location in the file which might 
> > > > > > force DBT to place the cursor as near to "column1" "page15
line5" as possible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Like the "go to" command if DBT used codes such as [spg] and 
> > > > > > [hpg] to indicate hard and soft page breaks, Dbt could 
> > > > > > search for these codes to accurately place the cursor at the 
> > > > > > top of the next and previous page when the <CTRL+PGDN> and 
> > > > > > <CTRL+PGUP> key
>combinations
> > >are used.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dave Durber
> > > > > >
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