[duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to next and previous page"

  • From: "Jack Maartman" <jmaartman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:59:56 -0700

Hi Bill:

When I wrote to you yesterday, I was too tired to elucidate my main problem.
This is that, Window-eyes will not read a print file correctly.  However, I
don't want to rule out the possibility, that this is something unique to my
system, and may well have nothing to do with Window-Eyes.  The concept I
haven't fully grasped, is the offset when assigning window co-ordinates.
Window-eyes works very well for me when reading a braillle file with a
braille display.

Cheers

Jack

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Herzler" <billh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 12:36 PM
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to next and
previous page"


> Peter,
>
> Thanks. I appreciate that.  I spoke with him yesterday and we are going to
> try and get a list together so we can perhaps narrow something down.
>
> We do have an issue where alt-s isn't reading the status line.  it says
ine
> olumn instead of line, and column for example.  We aren't sure what is
> causing this osm corruption but we are still looking in to it.
>
> Regards, Bill
>
> At 05:41 PM 7/22/2004, you wrote:
> >Bill,
> >
> >Don may also be able to help replicate the problem and distill some
> >step-by-step instructions.
> >
> >If you do find the problem, and need some help from the DBT team to get
it
> >resolved, we'll be here.
> >
> >- Peter
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> >Behalf Of Bill Herzler
> >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:41 PM
> >To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to next and
> >previous page"
> >
> >Jack,
> >
> >Can you be more specific as to your problems with DBT and Window-Eyes?
> >
> >You say that we can't read the entire line and that you can't read a
whole
> >document using Window-eyes.  I am not having that problem here after
> >translating section 1 of the Window-eyes manual.
> >I am using an alva satelite with Window-Eyes 4.5 sp3 under Windows XP.
> >The document shows on the braille display here.
> >
> >Since I am not totally femilar with all the different things you can do
in
> >Duxbury as others are on this list, what I need from you and anyone else
> >seeing this, is exact step by step instructions key strokes etc. and a
> >document that you are having problems with reading.
> >Please leave nothing out and I will attempt to duplicate and see if we
can
> >solve the problmes you are having asap.
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Regards, Bill
> >
> >At 12:05 PM 7/22/2004, Jack Maartman wrote:
> > >It certainly does. I am still trying to coax DBT to print to file, so I
> > >can start replicating  the bahaviour on a device that only displays one
> > >line at a time.
> > >
> > >Another thing I'd like to add, but off thread, is that DBT is
> > >performing very poorly with Window-eyes. I spoke to Don about this, and
> > >the problem would seem to rest with Window-eyes, and not DBT.
> > >Window-eyes will not read a complete line, and certainly can't be used
> > >to read a document. I can however, read any file when any translation
> > >table is in effect using a screen reader without a braille display,
> > >although it's a bit slow. I'd like to see this resolved for the new
> > >release, and will certainly contact GWMicro, if you find this useful.
> > >I'd  like to be very clear about the problem, so I can be as succinct
as
> >possible.
> > >
> > >Jack
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:47 AM
> > >Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to next
> > >and previous page"
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jack,
> > > >
> > > > As I read your first question, I can read it one of two ways.  I'll
> > > > answer it each way.
> > > >
> > > > When reading "Formatted Braille" files, DBT counts lines up to a
> > > > certain maximum value.  The maximum is set in the "Global, Formatted
> > > > Braille Importer" dialog.  However, if the checkbox "Preserve
> > > > formatting..." in
> > >that
> > > > dialog is checked, then the maximum line count is taken from the
> > > > page
> > >setup
> > > > of the dialog being created.  That is, it is taken from the template
> > > > or,
> > >if
> > > > the template is one we distribute, from your Global, Embosser Setup.
> > > > DBT determines that there is a page break in the "Formatted Braille"
> > > > file when that maximum line count is reached, or when it reads a
> >formfeed.
> > > >
> > > > When formatting documents on-screen and for printing or embossing,
> > > > DBT counts lines as it places text on the page.  When the number of
> > > > lines that your page should contain is reached, it goes to a new
> > > > page.  It may go to
> > >a
> > > > new page without filling all the lines if some number of lines are
> > > > to be kept together insofar as possible.  This is indicated with the
> > > > [kps] and [kpe] commands.  Moreover, DBT may use the last line of
> > > > each page for a running footer.
> > > >
> > > > Your second question is an interesting one.  I believe that DBT does
> > > > a
> > >good
> > > > job of reformatting documents for different embossers.  And we
> > > > certainly believe that, in every case, the on-screen document will
> > > > match what you
> > >get
> > > > from your embosser.  Exceptions to this typically occur when your
> > > > embosser is configured one way, but you tell DBT that it is
> > > > configured a different way.
> > > >
> > > > I hope this answers your questions.
> > > >
> > > > - Peter
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >On
> > > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:45 PM
> > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Problems with the "go to page" and "go to
> > > > next and previous page"
> > > >
> > > > Hi:
> > > >
> > > > How does DBT calculate pages, does it count form-feeds, or lines?
> > > > Does it mean that if you format a file for two different embossers,
> > > > it can count acurately?
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Dave Durber" <dadurber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:25 AM
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Problems with the "go to page" and "go to next
> > > > and previous page"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I have two questions as follows:
> > > > >
> > > > > When you press <CTRL+G> to go to a specific page, the program will
> > > > > often come up with a message telling you that you cannot go to
> > > > > that location.  However, when you press the <ENTER> key, you will
> > > > > invariably find yourself at the location you requested regardless
> > > > > of the previous message.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that DBT comes up with that message because it cannot
> > > > > calculate accurately enough, for example, where the top-of-the
> > > > > page is on certain pages.
> > > > >
> > > > > A good idea might be to use the same or similar system that
> > > > > WordPerfect used, that is:
> > > > >
> > > > > [spg], which stood for "soft page break".  This code indicated
> > > > > when a page was filled up and a new page began.  You would see
> > > > > this code when paragraphs, list and outline items spread across
> > > > > page boundaries from one page to another.
> > > > >
> > > > > [hpg], which stood for "hard page break".  This code was used when
> > > > > you wanted to end the current page and start a new page.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, if DBT used such a system, then the go to page function could
> > > > > search for the [spg] or [hpg] codes, calculate the number of codes
> > > > > to reach that location and place you at the top of that page that
> > > > > you requested.
> > > > >
> > > > > This brings me onto another function, that is the <CTRL+PGDN> "go
> > > > > to next page" and the <CTRL+PGUP> "go to previous page commands,
> > > > > which at present do not work as they really should.
> > > > >
> > > > > Although these keystrokes do move the cursor to the next and
> > > > > previous page, in my experience they do not move the cursor to the
> > > > > top of the page by default, which should be the case.
> > > > >
> > > > > Example:  If you have a braille file on-screen that contains 50
> > > > > pages of text and the cursor is on "page15 line5 column1, you
> > > > > press <CTRL+PGDN> to go to top of page 16, the status line should
> > > > > say
> > > > > "page16 line1 column1", logically, this is where the cursor should
> > > > > be located but, in my experience when you read the status line it
> > > > > actually reads "page16 line5 column1", which is the same line and
> > > > > column positions as the previous page.  This might vary depending
> > > > > on format codes and styles that might be in effect at that
> > > > > location in the file which might force DBT to place the cursor as
> > > > > near to "column1" on "page16 line5" as possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > Likewise, if you want to move the cursor from its current location
> > > > > which is "page 16 line5 column1" an move it to the top of page 15
> > > > > You should have to press <CTRL+PGUP> once to move the cursor to
> > > > > the top of "page 16 line1 column1", which is the top of the
> > > > > current page and then press the <CTRL+PGUP> again to move the
> > > > > cursor to the top of the previous page which is "page15 line1
> >column1".
> > > > >
> > > > > >From my experience this is not the case.  If the cursor is on
> > > > > >"page16
> > > > > line1 column1" and you press <CTRL+PGUP> the cursor moves to the
> > > > > previous page with the same line and column location, that is
> > > > > "line5 column1", depending on the format or style codes that might
> > > > > be in effect at that location in the file which might force DBT to
> > > > > place the cursor as near to "column1" "page15 line5" as possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > Like the "go to" command if DBT used codes such as [spg] and [hpg]
> > > > > to indicate hard and soft page breaks, Dbt could search for these
> > > > > codes to accurately place the cursor at the top of the next and
> > > > > previous page when the <CTRL+PGDN> and <CTRL+PGUP> key
combinations
> >are used.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave Durber
> > > > >
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