[duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents

  • From: Edgar Pérez <brailler@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:55:16 -0600

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:08 PM
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents


> Jack,
>
> I've been focusing instead on making it possible to emboss the online
help.
> It does appear that nobody has tried that; for, if you had, you'd find
that
> it hasn't been working.  It will be working for beta 4.
>
> - Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:03 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
>
> And fine help files they are. I think it would be good for the on-line
help
> to be put in a series of .dxp files to compliment the .chm files. Don
thinks
> Windows perhaps even 98 ships with a utility to convert .chm to html
files,
> which could then be saved as text. In my experience, having both
> downloadable and on-line help do rather compliment each other.  The
problem
> with the on-line help, and no reflection on George, is acidentally
exitting
> the help program and trying to find my place again. I'm thinking this
> shouldn't be difficult as the end result has to be compiled into .chm
files.
>
> Thanks
> Jack
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:33 AM
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
>
>
> > Jack,
> >
> > George has been writing the help.  He's done a fabulous job.  At the
same
> > time, this means that things are unlikely to be documented until George
> > understands them (and he does understand this now) and is satisfied that
> he
> > won't push for further change (the jury is still out in that regard).
> >
> > Once George is happy with his understanding and our implementation then
> > things like this are sure to be documented.
> >
> > - Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:58 PM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> >
> > Can we documentthis, in help. It may seem strange, but it makes a kind
of
> > sense after you repeat the exercise. My guess is that unless DBT is
> > networked, most of us probably wouldn't have more than two anyway.  Are
> > printers mutually exclusive, and can you make DBT think a embosser is a
> > printer, or vise vers, based on port settings.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > a
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:50 AM
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> >
> >
> > > Jack,
> > >
> > > If you delete all embossers, but don't create a new one, you cannot
get
> > out
> > > of the remaining dialog using OK -- you must use Cancel.  When you use
> > > Cancel, DBT won't save any changes, including the removal, addition,
or
> > > modification of any embosser configurations.
> > >
> > > George, Ian, and I have been dicussing this issue for some time now.
> > George
> > > maintains that the way it works will be confusing to people.  Your
> report
> > > seems to bear out his point of view.  But there are problems that will
> > arise
> > > however we might modify this behavior, so I've been disinclined to
make
> a
> > > change.
> > >
> > > - Peter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:33 PM
> > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > >
> > > I don't know, as it is the only system I have. I'll have to re-install
> > > everything, and then try again, or some upt the courage to delete the
> > > entries via regedit. I am reluctant to do this, as if the system
doesn't
> > > boot, I don't have a monitor, let alone requisite help--well who needs
a
> > > monitor anyway!! Perhaps this is not even a win98 issue. You can
delete
> > all
> > > embossers, but when you re-initialize DBT they're all still there.
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:21 AM
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jack,
> > > >
> > > > I've been hearing about some trouble removing embossers; I perhaps
> > hadn't
> > > > picked up the detail that this is with Windows 98 specifically.
> > > >
> > > > - Peter
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > On
> > > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:22 PM
> > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > >
> > > > Will do.
> > > >
> > > > Did I mention it seems impossible to delete embossers under win98. I
> > don't
> > > > know what implications this has, as I haven't one.
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:41 AM
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Jack,
> > > > >
> > > > > Open a file in Word.  For safety, do a File: Save As and save it
as
> > > > > something else.  Having done that, go to Tools, Options, select
the
> > > > > Security Tab where you can give it a memorable password.  Close
the
> > > > > file, and re-open it again, to prove to yourself that it does
> actually
> > > > > require a password.
> > > > >
> > > > > You should now be able to try whatever you want with the file.
> > > > >
> > > > > George.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > > > > Sent: 01 June 2004 05:52
> > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going to have to bone up on Ms-Word and Swift before I can do
> this
> > > > > adequately. With regard to the help files, is there anything in
> > > > > particular, you want me to look for?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jack
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 8:08 AM
> > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Ian,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is getting quite intriguing.  Any other Beta testers tried
> this
> > > > > > yet?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I try to open a password protected Word 2003 document in any
of
> > my
> > > > > > three flavours of DBT, I get a 714 error.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, if I open the document in Word, and then use the
current
> > > > > > version of SWIFT (The one which maintains multiple .mws files)
it
> > > > > comes
> > > > > > into DBT OK, which is, to a large extent, what I would expect,
or
> at
> > > > > > least hope for.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why YOU have the problem is a mystery.  (And bear in mind I have
> the
> > > > > > advantage of an XP Home and Pro system, side by side here.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I guess we might also have to look at (but after 10.5
> please!)
> > is
> > > > > > The Information Rights Management Service.  That should give
> > > > > programmers
> > > > > > a mild migraine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All the best,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > George.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > > > > > Sent: 31 May 2004 14:59
> > > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi George,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I only get "Error 714" if the document is sent to DBT via SWIFT.
> > When
> > > > > > using DBTs File Open dialogue, the application hangs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW: "Error 714" is a DBT message.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ian
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 1:18 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Ian,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have just tried it here with XP Professional and Home, and
> > Office
> > > > > > > 2003.  I've also used DBT 10.4, current Beta, and the untested
> > > > > > autobuild
> > > > > > > of 28th May, and in all cases I get the same result.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > After displaying DBT's normal import dialog, where it
correctly
> > > > > > > identifies File Type, I get "Error Message 714" pop up, but
DBT
> > > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > hang or such like.    Nothing appears in the error logs.
> Trawled
> > > > > the
> > > > > > MS
> > > > > > > KB to no avail, and even googled with no success, so I hope
it's
> a
> > > > > DBT
> > > > > > > error message, which can be rephrased to be something more
> > > > > meaningful.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm not surprised you didn't find the word "password" in Help.
> > Not
> > > > > > only
> > > > > > > has the indexing not been completed yet, but the word doesn't
> > exist
> > > > > > > anywhere in the text.  Got any ideas for a topic that should
> > include
> > > > > > > "password"?  (Smile)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > George.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > > On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > > > > > > Sent: 31 May 2004 11:47
> > > > > > > To: List DBTBeta
> > > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Password Protected Documents
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This isn't strictly a beta issue as I can replicate it with
> 10.4.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Trying to open a password protected Word document causes DBT
to
> > > > > hang.
> > > > > > > The title bar is visible to JAWS, but the application is not
> > > > > > responding.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Trying to close DBT caused Windows XP to display the "This
> program
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > not responding" dialogue.  Selecting "End now", caused a lot
of
> > hard
> > > > > > > disc activity and a slow down of the whole system, but a DBT
> > window
> > > > > > > still remained.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the end, I had to reboot the system.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, I searched DBT's Help for "password", and got no
results.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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