[duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents

  • From: "Jack Maartman" <jmaartman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:41:36 -0700

Great. I'm still trying to figure out what html, xhtml, and xml codes don't
seem to be supported. I still find it easier to convert to text, from the
mark-up before importing into DBT. I've seen words run together, possibly
between <br> (eol)

Obviously the fixes might not make it into 10.5, but I'm sure we'd like DBT
to support imports from its "cousins."
cheers
Jack

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:33 PM
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents


> Jack,
>
> We'll be working on PDF files quite hard soon and have in fact already
been
> in touch with Adobe about the same.  However, this too was more than we
> could finish for 10.5.
>
> - Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:31 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
>
> This is great. I wanted to be able to review the W.I.P. help
documentation,
> and make kind constructive but not deprecating critiques. But this is a
good
> way to learn to navigate the help system. Export to XML is indeed
exciting.
> I'd love to see a code chart equating DbT codes with xhtml codes where
> applicable. the SGML spec is not on line, but the Text Encoding initiaive
> guidelines are pretty good.
>
> Then there is the issue with PDF  files,which DBT couldn't possibly
address,
> although i have a good contact in Adobe's accessibility suite.
>
> Jack
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:21 PM
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
>
>
> > Hi Jack,
> >
> > Trust me.  Hard copy documentation of one kind or another is extremely
> > high on my own priority list.  However, I do have to write Help based on
> > the final code.  And at the present moment, some areas are a rather
> > moveable feast, and so the actual completion Help is, as always in any
> > software development project, the last task to be done.
> >
> > And to explain a little further for everyone's benefit.
> >
> > The Help files as they stand, are in fact a compilation of over 600
> > individual HTML files, which are called "Topics".  When you select
> > "Emboss" from within Help, it is in fact invoking DBT's HTML importer,
> > and outputting via your selected default Template and Embosser.
> >
> > The software we use to create the Help files is very specialist.  One of
> > its capabilities is to produce printed documentation as Word files,
> > which in turn are a good basis for producing a printed manual.  Word
> > 2003 of course now provides a facility to save these files in XML, and
> > for those who are into XML (and may groan at Word's version) this is a
> > major step forward.
> >
> > The bottom line is that it will technically now be possible to produce
> > documentation is various formats, though I have to say that given the
> > current targets, this may not be completed on release.
> >
> > But we will do our very, very best.
> >
> > George.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > Sent: 01 June 2004 20:03
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> >
> > And fine help files they are. I think it would be good for the on-line
> > help to be put in a series of .dxp files to compliment the .chm files.
> > Don thinks Windows perhaps even 98 ships with a utility to convert .chm
> > to html files, which could then be saved as text. In my experience,
> > having both downloadable and on-line help do rather compliment each
> > other.  The problem with the on-line help, and no reflection on George,
> > is acidentally exitting the help program and trying to find my place
> > again. I'm thinking this shouldn't be difficult as the end result has to
> > be compiled into .chm files.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jack
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:33 AM
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> >
> >
> > > Jack,
> > >
> > > George has been writing the help.  He's done a fabulous job.  At the
> > same
> > > time, this means that things are unlikely to be documented until
> > George
> > > understands them (and he does understand this now) and is satisfied
> > that
> > he
> > > won't push for further change (the jury is still out in that regard).
> > >
> > > Once George is happy with his understanding and our implementation
> > then
> > > things like this are sure to be documented.
> > >
> > > - Peter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:58 PM
> > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > >
> > > Can we documentthis, in help. It may seem strange, but it makes a kind
> > of
> > > sense after you repeat the exercise. My guess is that unless DBT is
> > > networked, most of us probably wouldn't have more than two anyway.
> > Are
> > > printers mutually exclusive, and can you make DBT think a embosser is
> > a
> > > printer, or vise vers, based on port settings.
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > > a
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:50 AM
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jack,
> > > >
> > > > If you delete all embossers, but don't create a new one, you cannot
> > get
> > > out
> > > > of the remaining dialog using OK -- you must use Cancel.  When you
> > use
> > > > Cancel, DBT won't save any changes, including the removal, addition,
> > or
> > > > modification of any embosser configurations.
> > > >
> > > > George, Ian, and I have been dicussing this issue for some time now.
> > > George
> > > > maintains that the way it works will be confusing to people.  Your
> > report
> > > > seems to bear out his point of view.  But there are problems that
> > will
> > > arise
> > > > however we might modify this behavior, so I've been disinclined to
> > make
> > a
> > > > change.
> > > >
> > > > - Peter
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > On
> > > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:33 PM
> > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > >
> > > > I don't know, as it is the only system I have. I'll have to
> > re-install
> > > > everything, and then try again, or some upt the courage to delete
> > the
> > > > entries via regedit. I am reluctant to do this, as if the system
> > doesn't
> > > > boot, I don't have a monitor, let alone requisite help--well who
> > needs a
> > > > monitor anyway!! Perhaps this is not even a win98 issue. You can
> > delete
> > > all
> > > > embossers, but when you re-initialize DBT they're all still there.
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:21 AM
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Jack,
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been hearing about some trouble removing embossers; I perhaps
> > > hadn't
> > > > > picked up the detail that this is with Windows 98 specifically.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Peter
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > On
> > > > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:22 PM
> > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > >
> > > > > Will do.
> > > > >
> > > > > Did I mention it seems impossible to delete embossers under win98.
> > I
> > > don't
> > > > > know what implications this has, as I haven't one.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jack
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:41 AM
> > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Jack,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Open a file in Word.  For safety, do a File: Save As and save it
> > as
> > > > > > something else.  Having done that, go to Tools, Options, select
> > the
> > > > > > Security Tab where you can give it a memorable password.  Close
> > the
> > > > > > file, and re-open it again, to prove to yourself that it does
> > actually
> > > > > > require a password.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You should now be able to try whatever you want with the file.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > George.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > On Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > > > > > Sent: 01 June 2004 05:52
> > > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm going to have to bone up on Ms-Word and Swift before I can
> > do
> > this
> > > > > > adequately. With regard to the help files, is there anything in
> > > > > > particular, you want me to look for?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jack
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 8:08 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Ian,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is getting quite intriguing.  Any other Beta testers
> > tried
> > this
> > > > > > > yet?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If I try to open a password protected Word 2003 document in
> > any of
> > > my
> > > > > > > three flavours of DBT, I get a 714 error.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, if I open the document in Word, and then use the
> > current
> > > > > > > version of SWIFT (The one which maintains multiple .mws files)
> > it
> > > > > > comes
> > > > > > > into DBT OK, which is, to a large extent, what I would expect,
> > or
> > at
> > > > > > > least hope for.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why YOU have the problem is a mystery.  (And bear in mind I
> > have
> > the
> > > > > > > advantage of an XP Home and Pro system, side by side here.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I guess we might also have to look at (but after 10.5
> > please!)
> > > is
> > > > > > > The Information Rights Management Service.  That should give
> > > > > > programmers
> > > > > > > a mild migraine.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All the best,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > George.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > > On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > > > > > > Sent: 31 May 2004 14:59
> > > > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi George,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I only get "Error 714" if the document is sent to DBT via
> > SWIFT.
> > > When
> > > > > > > using DBTs File Open dialogue, the application hangs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > BTW: "Error 714" is a DBT message.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 1:18 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Ian,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have just tried it here with XP Professional and Home, and
> > > Office
> > > > > > > > 2003.  I've also used DBT 10.4, current Beta, and the
> > untested
> > > > > > > autobuild
> > > > > > > > of 28th May, and in all cases I get the same result.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > After displaying DBT's normal import dialog, where it
> > correctly
> > > > > > > > identifies File Type, I get "Error Message 714" pop up, but
> > DBT
> > > > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > > hang or such like.    Nothing appears in the error logs.
> > Trawled
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > MS
> > > > > > > > KB to no avail, and even googled with no success, so I hope
> > it's
> > a
> > > > > > DBT
> > > > > > > > error message, which can be rephrased to be something more
> > > > > > meaningful.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm not surprised you didn't find the word "password" in
> > Help.
> > > Not
> > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > has the indexing not been completed yet, but the word
> > doesn't
> > > exist
> > > > > > > > anywhere in the text.  Got any ideas for a topic that should
> > > include
> > > > > > > > "password"?  (Smile)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > George.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > > > > > > > Sent: 31 May 2004 11:47
> > > > > > > > To: List DBTBeta
> > > > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Password Protected Documents
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This isn't strictly a beta issue as I can replicate it with
> > 10.4.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Trying to open a password protected Word document causes DBT
> > to
> > > > > > hang.
> > > > > > > > The title bar is visible to JAWS, but the application is not
> > > > > > > responding.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Trying to close DBT caused Windows XP to display the "This
> > program
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > not responding" dialogue.  Selecting "End now", caused a lot
> > of
> > > hard
> > > > > > > > disc activity and a slow down of the whole system, but a DBT
> > > window
> > > > > > > > still remained.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In the end, I had to reboot the system.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also, I searched DBT's Help for "password", and got no
> > results.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ian
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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