[duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents

  • From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:08:52 -0400

Jack,

I've been focusing instead on making it possible to emboss the online help.
It does appear that nobody has tried that; for, if you had, you'd find that
it hasn't been working.  It will be working for beta 4.

- Peter 

-----Original Message-----
From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jack Maartman
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:03 PM
To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents

And fine help files they are. I think it would be good for the on-line help
to be put in a series of .dxp files to compliment the .chm files. Don thinks
Windows perhaps even 98 ships with a utility to convert .chm to html files,
which could then be saved as text. In my experience, having both
downloadable and on-line help do rather compliment each other.  The problem
with the on-line help, and no reflection on George, is acidentally exitting
the help program and trying to find my place again. I'm thinking this
shouldn't be difficult as the end result has to be compiled into .chm files.

Thanks
Jack

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:33 AM
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents


> Jack,
>
> George has been writing the help.  He's done a fabulous job.  At the same
> time, this means that things are unlikely to be documented until George
> understands them (and he does understand this now) and is satisfied that
he
> won't push for further change (the jury is still out in that regard).
>
> Once George is happy with his understanding and our implementation then
> things like this are sure to be documented.
>
> - Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On
> Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:58 PM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
>
> Can we documentthis, in help. It may seem strange, but it makes a kind of
> sense after you repeat the exercise. My guess is that unless DBT is
> networked, most of us probably wouldn't have more than two anyway.  Are
> printers mutually exclusive, and can you make DBT think a embosser is a
> printer, or vise vers, based on port settings.
>
> Jack
>
> a
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:50 AM
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
>
>
> > Jack,
> >
> > If you delete all embossers, but don't create a new one, you cannot get
> out
> > of the remaining dialog using OK -- you must use Cancel.  When you use
> > Cancel, DBT won't save any changes, including the removal, addition, or
> > modification of any embosser configurations.
> >
> > George, Ian, and I have been dicussing this issue for some time now.
> George
> > maintains that the way it works will be confusing to people.  Your
report
> > seems to bear out his point of view.  But there are problems that will
> arise
> > however we might modify this behavior, so I've been disinclined to make
a
> > change.
> >
> > - Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:33 PM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> >
> > I don't know, as it is the only system I have. I'll have to re-install
> > everything, and then try again, or some upt the courage to delete the
> > entries via regedit. I am reluctant to do this, as if the system doesn't
> > boot, I don't have a monitor, let alone requisite help--well who needs a
> > monitor anyway!! Perhaps this is not even a win98 issue. You can delete
> all
> > embossers, but when you re-initialize DBT they're all still there.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:21 AM
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> >
> >
> > > Jack,
> > >
> > > I've been hearing about some trouble removing embossers; I perhaps
> hadn't
> > > picked up the detail that this is with Windows 98 specifically.
> > >
> > > - Peter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:22 PM
> > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > >
> > > Will do.
> > >
> > > Did I mention it seems impossible to delete embossers under win98. I
> don't
> > > know what implications this has, as I haven't one.
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:41 AM
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Jack,
> > > >
> > > > Open a file in Word.  For safety, do a File: Save As and save it as
> > > > something else.  Having done that, go to Tools, Options, select the
> > > > Security Tab where you can give it a memorable password.  Close the
> > > > file, and re-open it again, to prove to yourself that it does
actually
> > > > require a password.
> > > >
> > > > You should now be able to try whatever you want with the file.
> > > >
> > > > George.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > On Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > > > Sent: 01 June 2004 05:52
> > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > >
> > > > I'm going to have to bone up on Ms-Word and Swift before I can do
this
> > > > adequately. With regard to the help files, is there anything in
> > > > particular, you want me to look for?
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 8:08 AM
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Ian,
> > > > >
> > > > > This is getting quite intriguing.  Any other Beta testers tried
this
> > > > > yet?
> > > > >
> > > > > If I try to open a password protected Word 2003 document in any of
> my
> > > > > three flavours of DBT, I get a 714 error.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, if I open the document in Word, and then use the current
> > > > > version of SWIFT (The one which maintains multiple .mws files) it
> > > > comes
> > > > > into DBT OK, which is, to a large extent, what I would expect, or
at
> > > > > least hope for.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why YOU have the problem is a mystery.  (And bear in mind I have
the
> > > > > advantage of an XP Home and Pro system, side by side here.)
> > > > >
> > > > > What I guess we might also have to look at (but after 10.5
please!)
> is
> > > > > The Information Rights Management Service.  That should give
> > > > programmers
> > > > > a mild migraine.
> > > > >
> > > > > All the best,
> > > > >
> > > > > George.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > > > > Sent: 31 May 2004 14:59
> > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi George,
> > > > >
> > > > > I only get "Error 714" if the document is sent to DBT via SWIFT.
> When
> > > > > using DBTs File Open dialogue, the application hangs.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW: "Error 714" is a DBT message.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ian
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 1:18 PM
> > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Ian,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have just tried it here with XP Professional and Home, and
> Office
> > > > > > 2003.  I've also used DBT 10.4, current Beta, and the untested
> > > > > autobuild
> > > > > > of 28th May, and in all cases I get the same result.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After displaying DBT's normal import dialog, where it correctly
> > > > > > identifies File Type, I get "Error Message 714" pop up, but DBT
> > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > hang or such like.    Nothing appears in the error logs.
Trawled
> > > > the
> > > > > MS
> > > > > > KB to no avail, and even googled with no success, so I hope it's
a
> > > > DBT
> > > > > > error message, which can be rephrased to be something more
> > > > meaningful.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not surprised you didn't find the word "password" in Help.
> Not
> > > > > only
> > > > > > has the indexing not been completed yet, but the word doesn't
> exist
> > > > > > anywhere in the text.  Got any ideas for a topic that should
> include
> > > > > > "password"?  (Smile)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > George.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > > > > > Sent: 31 May 2004 11:47
> > > > > > To: List DBTBeta
> > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Password Protected Documents
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This isn't strictly a beta issue as I can replicate it with
10.4.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Trying to open a password protected Word document causes DBT to
> > > > hang.
> > > > > > The title bar is visible to JAWS, but the application is not
> > > > > responding.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Trying to close DBT caused Windows XP to display the "This
program
> > > > is
> > > > > > not responding" dialogue.  Selecting "End now", caused a lot of
> hard
> > > > > > disc activity and a slow down of the whole system, but a DBT
> window
> > > > > > still remained.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the end, I had to reboot the system.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, I searched DBT's Help for "password", and got no results.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ian
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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